Blah blah blah, still a long way to go and you Nuggets will lose it again, 4 in a row for the Mighty Glasgow Rangers........
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Blah blah blah, still a long way to go and you Nuggets will lose it again, 4 in a row for the Mighty Glasgow Rangers........
A1ex
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I acknowledged my mistake in the above post!
Re: Distributution of weath in the PL. It's actually split very well. The highest to lowest ratio of TV income is 2 to 1. Compare that to Spain where it's almost 20 to 1.
The PL is becoming more competitive than it was a few years back. Spurs and Man City have broke up the Big Four, through various ways. You've got the situation where a massive club like Liverpool is struggling to finish in the Top 5.
Football is never going to be totally even, as some clubs are bigger and will generate more money through matchday revenue. So comparisons with American sports aren't applicable. In terms of how the PL is run and how it divides its TV revenue, they do a good job.
Compare the split with Spain, Italy and Germany and the PL divides the money to the lowest clubs better than anyone.
Mungoscorner
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What a shame we don't have goal line camera's,Rangers should have been 1-0 up at half time,but having seen some of the decisions the ref gave against them,he was never going to award them the goal that WAS.The ref was poor tonight,but then again so were both teams,poor advert for Scottish Football.
The Soap Dodgers are now 2 points clear,but the cream will always rise to the top,so i shan't be losing any sleep.
The Soap Dodgers are now 2 points clear,but the cream will always rise to the top,so i shan't be losing any sleep.
Well said:thup:
Adi2Dassler
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Scottish football in general is in dramatic decline, including The OF.They are always going to be 1 & 2 because of gate receipts/sponsorship/TV money, but even they have become poor compared to where they were 5/10 years ago.
My team (Hibs) were playing Inverness last night.I'm a season ticket holder and each and every game this season I've been to (I've missed 3 home and away) I've said it was the worst football I've seen.Last night was no different.It was dire.
Using Hibs as an example, we're supposed to be the 4th biggest team in Scotland (I'll concede Hearts are bigger based on support only), we have the 4th biggest wage bill in the league, our stadium is the best in Scotland outside Glasgow, we have the best training facilities possibly even including The OF, we have almost zero debt.So, everything is in place on the non-footballing side to challenge for 3rd (maybe even 2nd or 1st(!) given the quality of both sides of Glasgow)But we're fighting relegation.
Why?Because everything is relative with the finances.Why would a player come to Scotland when he can earn more playing League 2 in England?When we do bring our own players thru, they're off along the M8 asap where they slowly disintegrate (Scott Brown was awesome at Hibs, he's crap at Celtic)
The only way to invigorate Scottish football? Get rid of the OF, (they'd leave tomorrow of they could) Introduce salary caps to all teams, only have 30 professional teams with the others aligned as semi-pro 'feeder teams' allowing youth experience.Make the top league 16 playing twice a season.A minimum of 6 'youth developed' players in match day squad.Summer football.Cap the cost of a ticket to a max of £20 per adult, £10 per kid for cat A games, £10/£5 for the rest.
And most controversial, stop live games on TV.This will never happen, but it would help get people back thru the turnstyles.
T
thecraw
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I love it when the English based on here come on a have a pop at the standard of Scottish football which I'll happily admit is dog poo.
However the Premiership is the most over rated league in the world. 90% of the Premiership games I watch are pants, over paid over hyped players who couldn't entertain at a kids party. As for the Championship, its the same as the SPL now, kick and rush.
However the Premiership is the most over rated league in the world. 90% of the Premiership games I watch are pants, over paid over hyped players who couldn't entertain at a kids party. As for the Championship, its the same as the SPL now, kick and rush.
Do I detect a touch of bitterness there??!! Brown was again one of our key players last night.The reason he stood out at Hibs was the fact that you were and are very poor.
A pal of mine was at Easter Road last night through hospitality and says it was the worst game he has witnessed and being a Hibee he has witnessed many (his words).
Getting rid of the OF would kill Scottish Football but I kinda agree with the rest of your post.
For me there are far too may teams and ideally we should have a maximum of as you say 30 in 2 leagues....again it won't happen and neither sadly will the cost come down...... at £44 a ticket to see Celtic v Rangers is way,way too much to be paying to watch a poor standard of football.
Aztecs27
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Here, steady on! There's plenty of good football played in the Championship.
richart
Major Champion
True Jon, presumably you have seen it from the teams playing against Forest ?
How can you go from playoffs to relegation zone on one season. The other two teams, Reading and Cardiff, that made the playoffs last season are in the top 6 again this season.
A quick stat for the Currants on here to ponder.......
PLG - P26 W15 D5 L6
'Super' Ally - P26 W14 D6 L6
McCoist has also managed getting knocked out of 2 European comps by lowly teams,knocked out of the League Cup by 1st Division Falkirk and blown a 15 point lead.
Mowbray got hounded by the press for being crap (rightly so) but Ally's record doesn't seem to get the press baying for blood......pleasing though and long may that continue.:thup:
PLG - P26 W15 D5 L6
'Super' Ally - P26 W14 D6 L6
McCoist has also managed getting knocked out of 2 European comps by lowly teams,knocked out of the League Cup by 1st Division Falkirk and blown a 15 point lead.
Mowbray got hounded by the press for being crap (rightly so) but Ally's record doesn't seem to get the press baying for blood......pleasing though and long may that continue.:thup:
A1ex
Head Pro
You forget Rangers are screwed financially and lost their best defender in the summer. Celtic should be way clear.
Also worth noting that Rangers fortune has dose-dived after their best player Naismith got injured. That is the only reason the gap has been closed. They've got no money to replace him. Pretty poor effort to blame McCoist for it all.
chris661
Money List Winner
So they only have 15 or 16 players? Rangers only became crap after losing ONE player through injury? The only reason they have no money is because Murray was fiddling the tax man.
A1ex
Head Pro
Naismith had loads of goals from midfield, he was their key player. Celtic don't have anyone to compare as he was a class above. Just saying if you take away a lynchpin out of any team, they'll suffer.
Compare the form with him in the side and without it, the difference is almost 1 point per game less.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
To abridge a post I sent ages ago, but the gist is:-
Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs and Dundee come into the English leagues, the top two in a certain season start in the chamionship, 3-6th start in Division one (north).
We split divisons 1 and 2 into north and south, whilst including the Scottish teams in the northern section (obviously).
Scottish football then beacomes like the league of wales, which is semi-pro for all your Peterheads,Alloa etc.
I'd be in favour, as we already have the Welsh in it now. BTW can anyone advise why they are allowed in, but there was talk of it being impossible for the Scottish to do this. I know the league chairmen voted against it, but some people said that UEFA would not allow it. Why?
Yerman
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You conveniently forget that their starting line-up last night included Lafferty (£3.5m), Jelavic (£4m), Davis (£3m), McCulloch (£2.25m) and Wallace (£1.5m), plus whatever they paid for Bocanegra and Papac - both around a million I think. That leaves them with a starting XI costing around £18m.
They also have Whittaker (£2m) and Edu (£2.6m) plus Goian, Bedoya and McKay who all cost.
Of McCoists signings are any achieving pass marks?The best so far is Wallace who is slower that a wet weekend in Scarborough...the rest he has signed barely make the bench so why sign them if he doesn't rate them?
The reason we are not 'way' clear is the fact we have had injuries of our own to key players.....not world beaters but key players and now they have come back into the fold I fully expect us to win the league at a canter this year especially given the fact that the noose is tightening around your necks even more financially.
And anyway.....I thought Davie Weir was still there......:rofl:
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Adi2Dassler
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Do I detect a touch of bitterness there??!! Brown was again one of our key players last night.The reason he stood out at Hibs was the fact that you were and are very poor.
A pal of mine was at Easter Road last night through hospitality and says it was the worst game he has witnessed and being a Hibee he has witnessed many (his words).
Getting rid of the OF would kill Scottish Football but I kinda agree with the rest of your post.
For me there are far too may teams and ideally we should have a maximum of as you say 30 in 2 leagues....again it won't happen and neither sadly will the cost come down...... at £44 a ticket to see Celtic v Rangers is way,way too much to be paying to watch a poor standard of football.
Bitter? Deffo not.We saw the best of Scotty and sold him for almost £4m.The team he played in at Hibs was far from poor, players such as Kevin Thomson (who I thought was better than Scott) Steven Whittaker,Steven Fletcher was coming thru, Garry OConnor ( pre-drug and Ferrari chaos),Caldwell, the best left back I've seen in The SPL in yonks in David Murphy.It was lacking depth to challenge and when The OF get a whiff of competition, they come in a weaken teams whilst strengthening themselves.The forever nature of Scottish football.
As for last night being the worst game a hibby has witnessed last night, he must be part-time as I've seen worse this season..Dunfie at home,killie at home.It was turgid,though.
And getting rid of the old firm would make the league competitive, Hibs might win a league ( not the cup though, that'll never happen) silverware would be spread about, interest in local teams might increase instead of the stream of glory hunters from Ayrshire/Lothians/Borders/Fife heading off to Mordor/Darkhead.It might make it even less glamourous (if that was possible) to the outsider, but to Scottish football fans outwith OF, it would make it fun again.
A1ex
Head Pro
I'm in no way a Rangers fan. Please note just because someone likes football and doesn't agree with you - it doesn't make them a Rangers fan.
You'll not win anything at a canter, not with that team/manager.
chris661
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HomerJSimpson
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I wasn't having a pop and I actually said I thought the nucleus of the Scottish team is looking good. You've an entertaining U21 side too. My point was that outside the OF the rest of the PL seems lacking in depth and quality. I think the clearest indication is the way Scottish sides seemt ot struggle in Europe even in the Europa League. Granted my own club Fulham went out (its a Fulham tradition to find a way of cocking it up but conceding with 7 seonds left is a new one on me) but they managed to get a few decent results. The likes of Stoke who are not exactly full of household names have managed to find a way.
I'm a football fan and so I don't take any pleasure from any league struggling. I use to watch the Italian and German leagues but again outside the top three or four there is a lot of mediocrity there too. It isn't just a Scottish issue although the gulf between the OF and the rest perhaps highlights it more strongly than elsewhere in Europe
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