NRs in medal

[rosecott]

A lot of NR's at our club this season but the golf manager sent a mail out saying it was affecting CSS, so from now on if you don't enter a score you are DQ'd

NRs and DQs are both included in the CSS calculation.

Enter in Boxes A, B and C the number of competitors holding a CONGU ® Handicap, including ‘No Returns’ and those disqualified for any reason, from each of the Categories 1, 2, 3 and 4. Note that players with a non ‘c’ status handicap should be excluded from this calculation

 

[jim8flog]

About half were NRs and the rest DQ for no t handing in a card. Not sure what the ‘punishment’ is for no card

From November2nd handicap committees are required to investigate why the card was not returned. If a score can be established it will be posted

At extreme
For repeated occurrences the club can suspend a players Handicap Index.

 

[Ethan]

It also depends a bit on club practice. Our place has the cards submitted to the pro shop and the assistant enters them. I have submitted cards for my group and maybe one of the players had a couple of blobs but entered scores for all the other holes, but when the official results come out, on the website it just shows 18 NRs. That is a problem in WHS, and I have advised the pro that they need to properly enter the scores for the holes completed.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I played in a competition yesterday and managed to NR on the first hole Couldn't find either first ball or my provisional but completed the rest of the round and made buffer so not all bad news

 

[jpjeffery]

No medals in winter at my place.

I’ve NRd in a couple of medals and still ended up with a handicap cut due to high stableford points (but an unfortunate lost ball ending my medal score).

I always put my score in even if I didn’t finish one or two holes.

Which is what everyone should do in order for accurate CSS to be recorded...

 

[Beedee]

I've always been happy to "blob" a hole in medals if I'm having a stinker. But I always try my best on every hole and always return the card for handicap and even managed a couple of buffers out of it.

However, I noticed that there were some missing rounds on my WHS record. Just checked and they're the medals that were recorded in HowDidIDo as NRs even tho the handicap bit gave me the appropriate 0.0 or 0.1.

 

[jpjeffery]

There's some interesting nomenclature going on here. Well, interesting to me anyway.

All 12 of our monthly competitions are called medals, whether they're stroke play or stableford, but that doesn't seem to be the case for everyone who has contributed to this thread.

 

[jim8flog]

There's some interesting nomenclature going on here. Well, interesting to me anyway.

All 12 of our monthly competitions are called medals, whether they're stroke play or stableford, but that doesn't seem to be the case for everyone who has contributed to this thread.

Odd that.

Is that what they are called verbally by most or is that written down by the club? Surely players need to know the format of play before going out and how is that done?

We clearly specify format on comp list on the computer system.

 

[Beedee]

Nomenclature question - the competition is a traditional medal. Every hole must be completed. No pick ups, no capped score, not stableford.

1. The golfer picks up on one hole and records a score on the other 17 and returns a card. Should that be recorded as an NR or a DQ?
2. The golfer doesn't return a card so no one knows any scores. Is that an NR or a DQ?

 

[Ethan]

Nomenclature question - the competition is a traditional medal. Every hole must be completed. No pick ups, no capped score, not stableford.

1. The golfer picks up on one hole and records a score on the other 17 and returns a card. Should that be recorded as an NR or a DQ?
2. The golfer doesn't return a card so no one knows any scores. Is that an NR or a DQ?

1. NR but card may still result in handicap reduction if other 17 scores add up to a decent stableford score.
2. Should be a DQ but often recorded as a NR.

 

[Grant85]

I played my first medal at the weekend and looking at the results I was surprised at the number of NRs returned. From 120 entries, 19 either NR’d or didn’t return a card. Is this high or just normal practice in a medal?

I find it varies from course to course.

When I started about 10 years ago, I played at a short, par 66 course. The CSS usually held at 66 so it wasn't a gimmie, but there was a huge culture of NRing. Guys who would use their shots up on the front 9 would not bother finishing all holes on the back 9 or just pick up when they got into trouble rather than play provisionals or go back to replay.

I then joined a tougher par 71 and it was bizarre how few people NRd there. I remember using up a lot of shots in the 1st 12 holes or so and lost a ball up the 14th. I was maybe 150 yards away from the tee and said 'that's that then' and started walking up towards the green. The other 2 guys were like 'you're not going back to the tee?'.

Not unsurprisingly it was impossible to get round that course in less than 4 hours on a Saturday and often too well over 4 hours.

My feeling was the NR culture had built up at the par 66 because people could get round quickly and people were happy to just move on and finish their golf in under 3 and a half hours. Sometimes 3 if you were out early.

Ultimately if you are well out of the game and not going to threaten the prizes or buffer, then you should / can just pick up and move on. Ideally you play the rest of the holes and record your score.

Even with the new WHS, it's unlikely these scores would count in your best 8 - and even if they did, the holes you don't complete will go down as a net double bogey.

 

[Orikoru]

There's some interesting nomenclature going on here. Well, interesting to me anyway.

All 12 of our monthly competitions are called medals, whether they're stroke play or stableford, but that doesn't seem to be the case for everyone who has contributed to this thread.

I always thought medal and Stableford were diametrically opposed ways of scoring - medal, every shot counts, Stableford it's points and you can blob a hole without sacking your whole card. I don't think you can have a Stableford medal, that doesn't make sense.

 

[rulefan]

Medal is not strictly a 'format'. It originated when clubs gave a medal for winning a particular competition. The format would be strokeplay round or rounds ('medal play') for qualification (top 32 etc) for a series of ko matches. The leader/winner of the qualifying round(s) was awarded a medal. ie they were the 'medallist'

 

[hovis]

I love medal format. Really sorts the men out from the boys. For some reason I can't take someone seriously when they boast about 38 points with 3 blobs on the card.
I do think medal play is a potential minefield for slow play.

 

[jpjeffery]

Odd that.

Is it though? Or is it you and your club that's odd...

Is that what they are called verbally by most or is that written down by the club?

It's written down. I'm the competitions secretary, so this is what I've inherited (as opposed to this being my decision).

Surely players need to know the format of play before going out

So I guess this where the inconsistency comes in. I agree with @rulefan that "medal" is not really a playing format.

...and how is that done?

We clearly specify format on comp list on the computer system.

We confirm to the membership what the format will be (and it's published on our MasterScoreboard.co.uk fixtures list), which tees to use, and confirm whether it's a handicap qualifier or not (the latter largely dictated by whether the venue allows us to use the white teeing areas or not). Generally though, in winter the scoring format is stableford, summer it's strokeplay.

 

[Patster1969]

1. NR but card may still result in handicap reduction if other 17 scores add up to a decent stableford score.
2. Should be a DQ but often recorded as a NR.

To be honest, I didn't realise that you could even pick up on a hole in medal. In my ignorance, I thought you had to finish any hole regardless but suppose I've done it because I didn't want to return an NR

 

[Swango1980]

To be honest, I didn't realise that you could even pick up on a hole in medal. In my ignorance, I thought you had to finish any hole regardless but suppose I've done it because I didn't want to return an NR

In terms of posting a result in the competition, you cannot pick up. If you do, you will get an NR

However, if you do pick up, you should still continue to play and submit your score, as this is still use for handicapping. Under WHS, when it goes live next month, this will be very important for golfers to understand. Completely failing to return a score will be greatly discouraged, because it could have a much more dramatic impact on a players handicap for persistent offenders than would have been the case under the CONGU system.

 

[jpjeffery]

About half were NRs and the rest DQ for no t handing in a card. Not sure what the ‘punishment’ is for no card

From Rule 3.3b:

Your Responsibility. When the round has ended, you:

• Should carefully check the hole scores entered by your marker and raise any issues with the Committee,
• Must make sure that your marker certifies the hole scores on the scorecard,
• Must not change a hole score entered by your marker except with the marker's agreement or the Committee's approval, and
• Must certify the hole scores on the scorecard and promptly return it to the Committee, after which you must not change your scorecard.

If you breach any of these requirements, you are disqualified.

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So, yeah, if you've signed in to a comp but not submitted the card it should be a DQ. but as per @Ethan's reply above, we usually record the card as 18 zeroes, which records the card as 'No score recorded' and resulting in a 0.1 automatic increase on the player's handicap.

 

[Neilds]

From Rule 3.3b:

Your Responsibility. When the round has ended, you:

• Should carefully check the hole scores entered by your marker and raise any issues with the Committee,
• Must make sure that your marker certifies the hole scores on the scorecard,
• Must not change a hole score entered by your marker except with the marker's agreement or the Committee's approval, and
• Must certify the hole scores on the scorecard and promptly return it to the Committee, after which you must not change your scorecard.

If you breach any of these requirements, you are disqualified.

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So, yeah, if you've signed in to a comp but not submitted the card it should be a DQ. but as per @Ethan's reply above, we usually record the card as 18 zeroes, which records the card as 'No score recorded' and resulting in a 0.1 automatic increase on the player's handicap.

No card is DQ, what I was referring to as punishment was what happens to repeat offenders who continue to fail to submit their card

 

[jim8flog]

Nomenclature question - the competition is a traditional medal. Every hole must be completed. No pick ups, no capped score, not stableford.

1. The golfer picks up on one hole and records a score on the other 17 and returns a card. Should that be recorded as an NR or a DQ?
2. The golfer doesn't return a card so no one knows any scores. Is that an NR or a DQ?

Both.

The player can record a NR, put in a zero or put a dash through the score box for that hole. When the WHS comes in they must put NS for any hole not started.
(Guidance on teh Rules of Handicapping Rule 3)

DQ is for the competition Score and should be put in the appropriate box on the card. E.G. Total box or if you have cards like ours there is a large box for the result (stableford points or par result)

A card not returned is a NR for the time being and a DQ.

The committee is supposed to contact the player and try to get the card returned and scores will be entered for handicap purposes only.