Colin L
Tour Winner
Do let us know! Maybe "to maintain the historic integrity of the course", which really means "It's aye been".I've emailed Gullane and asked them.
Do let us know! Maybe "to maintain the historic integrity of the course", which really means "It's aye been".I've emailed Gullane and asked them.
I've never been there but is it pronounced Gull 'an' or Gull 'ain' ?I've emailed Gullane and asked them.
Played Gullane 3 yesterday and noticed that they have a local rule not allowing free relief from stacked turf above a bunker.
Surprised to see this. What is the reason for allowing this local rule and why would a club want to use this?
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The face of a bunker is not in the bunker but in the general area and as such, you do get relief for a ball embedded in the face [Rule 16.3]. A revetted face is no different. The purpose of this local rule is to deny players the relief they would normally be entitled to for a ball embedded in the revetted face.In response to your your question my opinion would be it is about the construction of bunkers on courses which have sand based soils.
Having revetted faces is the best way of maintaining the structure and size of the bunker else the the sides just wear away (which is what happens where I play on our sandstone based soil).
If the bunkers did not have revetted faces you would not get relief so it is just a way of having the whole of the bunker as a hazard which is what you get on most courses.
If the sand forming the 'floor' of a bunker curves into a sand 'face/wall' how do you distinguish just where the transition occurs?The face of a bunker is not in the bunker but in the general area
Posh folk call it Gill an (hard g).I've never been there but is it pronounced Gull 'an' or Gull 'ain' ?
I think you are mis interpreting what I am a saying.The face of a bunker is not in the bunker but in the general area and as such, you do get relief for a ball embedded in the face [Rule 16.3]. A revetted face is no different. The purpose of this local rule is to deny players the relief they would normally be entitled to for a ball embedded in the revetted face.
Apologies if I was, but when you said, If the bunkers did not have revetted faces you would not get relief so it is just a way of having the whole of the bunker as a hazard which is what you get on most courses, what did you you mean?I think you are mis interpreting what I am a saying.
The question posed by the OP was "why does the club have such a rule"
so if we take the take the OPs questionApologies if I was, but when you said, If the bunkers did not have revetted faces you would not get relief so it is just a way of having the whole of the bunker as a hazard which is what you get on most courses, what did you you mean?
You would get relief from an embedded ball.In response to your your question my opinion would be it is about the construction of bunkers on courses which have sand based soils.
Having revetted faces is the best way of maintaining the structure and size of the bunker else the the sides just wear away (which is what happens where I play on our sandstone based soil).
If the bunkers did not have revetted faces you would not get relief so it is just a way of having the whole of the bunker as a hazard which is what you get on most courses.
I think we have a language matter here. I don't (and I see Ken doesn't either) recognise what a sand face is. To me the face of a bunker is the wall or slope above the sand created by the hollowing out of the ground, whether it it's earth, grass or layered sods of turf. That is in the general area. There may be sand sloping up to the edge of the bunker at the fact but I wouldn't call it the face. And given the fluid nature of sand, there will be a limit to the degree of slope. It certainly won't reach the near verticality of the face of a pot bunker.so if we take the take the OPs question
" Why does a club a LR which denies relief for a ball embedded in a revetted face?"
and then compare it to a bunker with a sand face with a ball embedded in the face
It equalises the allowable actions between the two.
ColinI think we have a language matter here. I don't (and I see Ken doesn't either) recognise what a sand face is. To me the face of a bunker is the wall or slope above the sand created by the hollowing out of the ground, whether it it's earth, grass or layered sods of turf. That is in the general area. There may be sand sloping up to the edge of the bunker at the fact but I wouldn't call it the face. And given the fluid nature of sand, there will be a limit to the degree of slope. It certainly won't reach the near verticality of the face of a pot bunker.
I think we have a language matter here. I don't (and I see Ken doesn't either) recognise what a sand face is. To me the face of a bunker is the wall or slope above the sand created by the hollowing out of the ground, whether it it's earth, grass or layered sods of turf. That is in the general area. There may be sand sloping up to the edge of the bunker at the fact but I wouldn't call it the face. And given the fluid nature of sand, there will be a limit to the degree of slope. It certainly won't reach the near verticality of the face of a pot bunker.
You only free relief for a ball embedded in the general areaYou would get relief from an embedded ball.
At the edge of the sandColin
See post #26
When does the 'floor' become the 'face'?