Not again...

[HawkeyeMS]

Just opened the new golf monthly and opened it randomly to page 29 - develop a safe shot. Once again we are told how to hit a fade by aiming the club at our target and our feet to the left. There's a nice yellow arrow sowing the path of the ball going left along the line of our feet and cutting back to the centre of the fairway which is the target.

Now I'm sorry to have to bring this up again but how many times are we going to read this in golf monthly despite the new ball flight laws.

Something is wrong, it's either the new flight laws or GM's top 25 coaches who all seem to ignore them. Whichever it is, I think we need it cleared up once and for all.

 

[JustOne]

Well said.

Apparently they've all been taught the 'new' ball flight laws since 2004

 

[FaldosJumper]

My GM arrived today too and I haven't finished reading last months!

Yes, I've seen the offending article maybe a put your driver away and hit your 3 wood would be a better option

 

[Piece]

In fairness you'll get the fade...just not the accuracy!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

In fairness you'll get the fade...just not the accuracy!

You will but missing the fairway right is hardly a safe shot is it (unless of course there's a dirty great lake on the left )

 

[Scouser]

Should GM not comment on this themselves....

I seem to remember another thread asking them for a reply but dont think any one responded. Maybe one of the top 25 coaches could spend a while answering questions from the forum. Maybe if Mike was up for it an email to him passed on to the coach in question.

A job for justone mayb ..........

If mike agreed and could sort it that is.

Its not that i agree or disagree with the information given on here but there does always seem to be a debate about it if people think the magazine is wrong?

 

[JustOne]

A job for justone mayb ..........

I'm the shy retiring type................

Glad someone (Hawkeye) finds it as equally frustrating as I do, ....that makes about 2 of us in total

 

[Scouser]

I'm the shy retiring type................

I pictured you as the boring uncle that no one sat next to at family parties but hey ho :ears:

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I've just e-mailed Mike so I'll let you know what he says.

 

[Scouser]

I've just e-mailed Mike so I'll let you know what he says.

You must be the strange cousin then ................

 

[HomerJSimpson]

To be honest I think we're in danger of over egging the pudding here. I absolutely think the new ball flight laws make sense and have enjoyed James going through it in recent months and explaining it. However I was always taught to aim the club square and the body open to hit a fade and vice versa for a draw. Monty demonstrated at a clinic a simpler way by taking a weaker or stronger grip at address and swinging normally and letting the change of grip do the work. For a lot of players and GM readers I'm sure the ball flight laws are as clear as Russian and they want something simple and visual they can lock into and practice. I'm not saying either version is right or wrong but like a lot of things in golf there is more than one way to get the end result

 

[JustOne]

I pictured you as the boring uncle that no one sat next to at family parties but hey ho :ears:

I'd like to be that guy!.............................................. what's it like? :ears:

 

[HawkeyeMS]

You must be the strange cousin then ................

Not really I just like to know what's right. I was always taught to hit a fade the way the pro's in the mag are teaching it but could never get it right, it always started straight and faded right of the target. I always assumed this was because I was doing it wrong until reading JustOne's post about the new ball flight laws and guess what, I can now hit a fade so it seems to make sense to me that the new flight laws might be right.

Yet I keep reading top teaching pro's teaching the way I was taught and completely ignoring the flight laws and I want to know what is right and why they teach this way. It also concerns me that GM is publishing what could potentially be duff info.

Maybe I am strange after all

 

[Scouser]

I'd like to be that guy!.............................................. what's it like? :ears:

A sad sad place but im not 100% there yet because I dont talk about S&T ...... maybe if I go to a forum meet you can turn me.................:rofl:

 

[daymond]

The 'laws of ball flight' have been known for a long time. It is only recently with Tracker and other systems that the previously 'known' can be confirmed scientifically.
The principles are easy to grasp.
The extreme manifestation is the green side bunker shot or a shortish lob/sand iron shot. We are taught to take a wide stance and square the face to the target; in this case the hole and assuming a dead flat green. What happens? The ball flies straight towards the hole but surprise surprise it rolls left to right and misses. The club face has to be lined up to the left of the hole and aimed more or less if the green slopes left to right or the other way.
The same thing happens with the fairway irons/hybrids/woods on a downward strike except the spin on the green shot translates into a fade in the air with the irons etc.
I won't mention the draw, it's late my head hurts.
Justone. Is that a load of rubbish?

 

[bobmac]

Will this help?

The ball starts as per the right hand picture red arrow and the path of the swing imparts side spin

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Will this help?

The ball starts as per the right hand picture red arrow and the path of the swing imparts side spin

Indeed but in the Mag the last two months we are being lead to believe that initial ball flight is as in the left hand picture.

Anyhow, Mike has referred my question to Tappers so watch this space.

 

[Monty_Brown]

I agree it is frustrating when there is a lot of evidence that this theory is just wrong, yet the magazine prepetuates the old flight laws. As we're paying for it, I think it's right that we query it.

Thanks to Hawkeye for taking this up directly with GM. :thup:

Interested to hear the response.

 

[richy]

Im glad this has been brought up and I'm interested in hearing the response. I can even remember Graeme McDowell giving an instructional tip that was the old ball flights laws (actually PM'd bob about it)

 

[Region3]

The ball starts as per the right hand picture red arrow and the path of the swing imparts side spin

Bob, do you get as frustrated as others when people basically representing your profession teach/write as per the old rules?

Also, do you have a theory as to why? Refusal to change, not aware, etc?