Not a bad team....

[NWJocko]

It doesn't belittle anything - it was actually highlighting how good he is from a deadball situation - blimey can't even give him some praise

Apologies, my post didn't read as intended.

I was asking the question as you mentioned before that Ronaldo took all the set prices which add to his goal tally which, your post intimated, diminished the overall tally.

I was asking about Suarez as I didn't know.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Henry and Ronaldo are fantastic players and like stallion racehorses in terms of speed and grace. They don’t run, they glide over the surface.


Messi is the tightest dribbler I’ve seen.


Suarez is also the fantastic in tight situations, but he isn’t rapid in terms of pace. He is the strongest of all the above, I’d imagine. He’s quite good in the air, but his will to win (obviously oversteps the mark at times) workrate when closing down defenders, and sheer bloody minded giving defenders a hard time is a joy to watch for us.


Dalglish was my hero (and still is), but as a spectacle, and to watch from a “don’t know what outrageous skill he’ll do next” he has you on the edge of your seat. You can’t “statisticallise” ™ that.


“Statisticallise” – this years “bouncebackability”.

My god a reasoned debate has broken out - shame I'm off to BoBos. Night all.

 

[Papas1982]

Would you take Ronaldo at Liverpool or be of the opinion that Suarez is better so you wouldn't need him? (Excluding the previous manc connection)

Ronaldo is a fantastic player, no-one can doubt that. He was the best striker last year (2013). Suarez is equally the best player of the last 3-4 months.
I don’t like him as a persona, or Ibrahimovic either. All me,me.me. generally LFC fans, and myself also would prefer a “working class hero”. Suarez didn’t have shoes for parts of his childhodd, and is from the barrios, which is what attracts him to us. Although not as poor, Torres didn’t have a privileged childhood, Dalglish neither. Ok – what has this to do with football, nothing really, but still doesn’t make it not important to us scousers.
I do think that Real Madrid and Barca are refereed massively different to all the other Spanish clubs, they are also galacticos in general from front to back. Still Messi and Ronaldo are massively skilled and one in two generation footballers. I do think that doing it in the Prem would be harder for them. Every game is a battle, refs let more go, weather is more changeable.
I do think Suarez would score a similar amount of goals as Messi and Ronaldo if he played for Barca/Real with them same players around him.
Ronaldo and Messi would score 40-50 goals a season if they played for the current Liverpool team, probably 60 plus if they played for City, but I doubt as much as in Spain.

Ronaldo was an LFC fan as a kid, as well as Madrid, from what I've heard. See told you he was a knob!


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I can only use google, but from what I've read their is no mention of Torres living with hardship? Suarez as most South americans did of course have a had up bring. Interestingly, Ronaldo also was bought up in poverty but that seems to of escaped you. I think it's a very noble idea to love these 'one of us' characters but if Sebastian Smythe formerly of eaton signed for Pool and banged in 40 goals a season you idolise him just as much. A

 

[USER1999]

You will never know how good Suarez can be......until you see him in an Arsenal shirt!

 

[Rooter]

You will never know how good Suarez can be......until you see him in an Arsenal shirt!

Behave murph! never gonna happen!

 

[Liverbirdie]

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I can only use google, but from what I've read their is no mention of Torres living with hardship? Suarez as most South americans did of course have a had up bring. Interestingly, Ronaldo also was bought up in poverty but that seems to of escaped you. I think it's a very noble idea to love these 'one of us' characters but if Sebastian Smythe formerly of eaton signed for Pool and banged in 40 goals a season you idolise him just as much. A[/QUOTE] ************************* I don't think Torres was exactly shoe-less as a kid, but from a lower working class background, so I read years ago. I don't know much about Ronaldo's childhood, but do remember Mourinho saying he was "uneducated" or something, when he was still at Man U. Your right, I'm not saying that we should only have working class heroes, and "Smythy" would be most welcomed , but I'm just saying that a working class hero tends to be loved more in Liverpool. See Fowler/Owen. Fowler, brought up in Toxteth (as I was) in a very run down area, the riots still only just happened. Owen brought up in an upper-middle class, with an ex-pro footballer dad in the family. Fowler was us on the pitch, Owen wasn't. The differing attitudes to Ingerlund being also part of it (Owen's priority).

 

[Kellfire]

Suarez, Ronaldo, Messi or flipping Jason Lee would be able to use the quote system better than you lot!

Ronaldo 20 in 18 games in a league that isn't as strong defensively than the prem.

The Premier League is at a massive low in terms of defensive ability. Hilarious that you'd say that. Spain's defenders are much more technical and they're also much better in general.

Ronaldo took every single set piece and played as a striker when he scored his 30 goals for the Mancs.

Ronaldo never played as a striker at Man Utd. He was somewhere between a roaming winger and on the right of a forward three of Tevez, Rooney and himself where he was always the most withdrawn of the three in the season he scored 42 in all competitions.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Let's be honest it's clear to anyone with half a brain that Ronaldo deserved the award & is a better player than Suarez. Suarez is good & in good form,but Ronaldo & Messi are in the Pele & Maradonna bracket.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Let's be honest it's clear to anyone with half a brain that Ronaldo deserved the award & is a better player than Suarez. Suarez is good & in good form,but Ronaldo & Messi are in the Pele & Maradonna bracket.

Or it's clear that people can form their own opinion and don't have to follow the masses :thup:

 

[Papas1982]

Or it's clear that people can form their own opinion and don't have to follow the masses :thup:

I'd hardly suggestvpeople that rate Ronaldo are doing so like sheep following a shepherd. They've done it of their own accord. I think most people have responded to you as you've stated the Ronaldo is worse than Suarez and called the poll a joke. Even though it was voted for by fans. So the common perception is that whilst everyone can have their own opinion. Yours is considered wrong.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Or it's clear that people can form their own opinion and don't have to follow the masses :thup:

I did say half a brain

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd hardly suggestvpeople that rate Ronaldo are doing so like sheep following a shepherd. They've done it of their own accord. I think most people have responded to you as you've stated the Ronaldo is worse than Suarez and called the poll a joke. Even though it was voted for by fans. So the common perception is that whilst everyone can have their own opinion. Yours is considered wrong.

Again - it's my opinion and I rate Suarez and Ronaldo of my own accord - just because that's different doesn't mean it's wrong - there is no wrong or right their is only opinion

 

[Papas1982]

Having Bale instead of Suarez or Messi just makes the poll a joke really. Ramos being in there is also a joke

It's just name voting at the end

If it's all opinions as you say, then kinda makes this stamenent a contradiction. Everyone's opinions votes were counted and this was the result. But let's not go round in circles again. You rate Suarez more than most, but hey. You're entires to think that

 

[Pin-seeker]

Again - it's my opinion and I rate Suarez and Ronaldo of my own accord - just because that's different doesn't mean it's wrong - there is no wrong or right their is only opinion

Man City are better than Hartlepool,this is not an opinion it is a Fact!
Sorry Phil looks like you're wrong again.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If it's all opinions as you say, then kinda makes this stamenent a contradiction. Everyone's opinions votes were counted and this was the result. But let's not go round in circles again. You rate Suarez more than most, but hey. You're entires to think that

Did every single person vote in this ? I didn't - did you ? How many votes did they get compared to how many football fans there are.

Yes I called the results of certain players a joke - just the same when Giggs won Player of the Year and SPOTY after playing 17 games or so. Again that's my opinion ( something you seem it struggle with )

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Man City are better than Hartlepool,this is not an opinion it is a Fact!
Sorry Phil looks like you're wrong again.

Who said anything about Man City or Hartlepool

 

[Papas1982]

Did every single person vote in this ? I didn't - did you ? How many votes did they get compared to how many football fans there are.

Yes I called the results of certain players a joke - just the same when Giggs won Player of the Year and SPOTY after playing 17 games or so. Again that's my opinion ( something you seem it struggle with )

I fully accept it's your opinion are you are entitled to that. But if thousands if fans vote then a general consensus will be reached. You think Suarez is better and that's fine. But you seem to think the results are wrong based on your 1 opinion as a pose to the countless on here or thousands online.....

 

[Papas1982]

6,310,237 people voted. If that isn't enough for you then your blind biases is beyond me and I shall do as others have and chose to be entertained by you......

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I fully accept it's your opinion are you are entitled to that. But if thousands if fans vote then a general consensus will be reached. You think Suarez is better and that's fine. But you seem to think the results are wrong based on your 1 opinion as a pose to the countless on here or thousands online.....

What if millions of Liverpool fans say Suarez is better and then millions of Madrid fans say Ronaldo is better

Did I say the results were wrong ? No I called them a joke - just like most of the team polls you get - it's from a small percentage of people and when people do vote they go with the house names as. They are nothing polls at the end of the day.

Yes if given the choice I would prefer to have Suarez in my team over Ronaldo - I have given my reasons countless times and I, sorry if that upsets people enough to feel they need to challenge my own opinion. You would pick Ronaldo - excellent choice - well done - I respect your right to that opinion - now respect my right to have mine and nothing more is needed to be said :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

6,310,237 people voted. If that isn't enough for you then your blind biases is beyond me and I shall do as others have and chose to be entertained by you......

Is that all - there are billions of football fans around the world so it's a very small percentage of football fans - thanks for clarifying that :thup: