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Liverpoolphil said:
Because I believe la Liga is a more open league in terms of scoring goals giving players like Ronaldo more opportunities

Where as the prem is a tighter league - during the winter moves especially the games get heavy and close and scoring isn't as high - hence why no one has ever managed massive scoring in the league despite over the years having the best strikers in the world playing including Ronaldo. Teams like Hull and Palace fight to the death and make it difficult for other teams - the difference between the two leagues is clear. Playing in a more open league then Suarez I believe would score a lot more. The prem is historical lower scoring for individuals.

At the end of the day there is no right or wrong only opinions and I can only express my opinion on a player I have seen regularly over the years and rate very highly and not just because of the amount of goals he scores but of everything he brings to the pitch.
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I think my biggest issue I have with all these opinions you have when rating Suarez above Ronaldo is how Messi is exempt. I mean Messi has only ever played in this so called inferior league. So why is he a star and Ronaldo not? Suarez has scored 70+ goals I a top level league according to how uefa rate leagues for golden shoe. Ronaldo has close to 300. And not all of those as a striker. Although since become a forward and not a winger his record is almost a goal a game. Anyway, if Suarez gets his wish next season and plays for a Spanish team it'll be a good leveller. Until then, as he only plays league football and not against all the best defences in Europe. I don't think he'll be top of many people that don't support Liverpool's list.
 
League goals :thup:

And Suarez once scored 35 in 33 for Ajax. Throwing goals scored at me doesn't change my opinion

But I will say it again - it's not just about the goals scored , I believe in my opinion ( regardless of how many agree ) that I would prefer Suarez in my team over Ronaldo.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Which lesser thought of teams ?

Ronaldo took every single set piece and played as a striker when he scored his 30 goals for the Mancs.

I also suggest you look at Suarezs history of scoring - he has been prolific for a good deal amount of years - even at Ajax he scored about 90 odd goals in just over 110 games .

And why hopefully he leaves ? Having the best players in the prem is good for the prem.
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a league that was once good but now sadly just above the spl (no offence to out Scottish forumites).
 
Papas1982 said:
I think my biggest issue I have with all these opinions you have when rating Suarez above Ronaldo is how Messi is exempt. I mean Messi has only ever played in this so called inferior league. So why is he a star and Ronaldo not? Suarez has scored 70+ goals I a top level league according to how uefa rate leagues for golden shoe. Ronaldo has close to 300. And not all of those as a striker. Although since become a forward and not a winger his record is almost a goal a game. Anyway, if Suarez gets his wish next season and plays for a Spanish team it'll be a good leveller. Until then, as he only plays league football and not against all the best defences in Europe. I don't think he'll be top of many people that don't support Liverpool's list.
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When did I say La Liga was inferior ? And when did I say Ronaldo isn't a star ?

And Suarez has scored a lot more than 70 goals in the top leagues. And Suarez has also done it in international tournaments helping his country win tournaments
 
Liverpoolphil said:
League goals :thup:

And Suarez once scored 35 in 33 for Ajax. Throwing goals scored at me doesn't change my opinion

But I will say it again - it's not just about the goals scored , I believe in my opinion ( regardless of how many agree ) that I would prefer Suarez in my team over Ronaldo.
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So, if its not about goals scored what is it that would make you choose Suarez?

I'm genuinely interested as I don't particularly like or support any clubs or the players involved.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
When did I say La Liga was inferior ? And when did I say Ronaldo isn't a star ?

And Suarez has scored a lot more than 70 goals in the top leagues. And Suarez has also done it in international tournaments helping his country win tournaments
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The Dutch league is not a top league. Take a look at uefa ranking system. Or are uefa wrong too now. His performance helped win it. He scored 3 goals. In copA Not too much to write home about there. You have said that it's easier to score against Spanish teams, which imply a they at least have inferior defences. Well Ronaldo and Messi have scored plenty against teams europewide in CL and would continue to do so in any league they played in. As would suarez to an extent. But as I asked earlier and you must have missed it. Why is Messi exempt from the criticism of only scorer in a poor defensive league?
 
NWJocko said:
So, if its not about goals scored what is it that would make you choose Suarez?

I'm genuinely interested as I don't particularly like or support any clubs or the players involved.
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His all round ability on the ball and his awareness to being players into the game , his unbelievable skill and trickery in tight situations , making something out of nothing -

Ronaldo is like ball - pace is electric and does his damage on the counter where he is untouchable with the ball at his feet running direct at players and gliding past them.

I just prefer the tricky smaller players - always have , Kenny is my hero , always preffered Maradona
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Based on what exactly ?
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Based on uefa's rating system. That currently has the Dutch as 8th. Only the top five are rated as level one teams. Any player who screw in those league has their goals tally doubled when calculating golden shoe. Inferior leagues such as the Dutch have a lower multiplier. As it is deemed easier by uefa to score. If you take a look. You'll see that England a Spain are top two. With Portugal 5th. Which coincidently means that Ronaldo has never played in an inferior league.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
His all round ability on the ball and his awareness to being players into the game , his unbelievable skill and trickery in tight situations , making something out of nothing -

Ronaldo is like ball - pace is electric and does his damage on the counter where he is untouchable with the ball at his feet running direct at players and gliding past them.

I just prefer the tricky smaller players - always have , Kenny is my hero , always preffered Maradona
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Fair response, although Ronaldos stats about assists somewhat contradict your view on "bringing others into the game".

As I said, I'm not a fan of Ronaldo, my opinion is that he's at the very top table whereas Suarez is one of a number a rung below.

You are entitled to your opinion as I've said :thup:
 
Papas1982 said:
The Dutch league is not a top league. Take a look at uefa ranking system. Or are uefa wrong too now. His performance helped win it. He scored 3 goals. In copA Not too much to write home about there. You have said that it's easier to score against Spanish teams, which imply a they at least have inferior defences. Well Ronaldo and Messi have scored plenty against teams europewide in CL and would continue to do so in any league they played in. As would suarez to an extent. But as I asked earlier and you must have missed it. Why is Messi exempt from the criticism of only scorer in a poor defensive league?
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I said La Liga was more open in terms of the way they play - more attacking

And UEFA have Holland just behind France in the Co Efficents

So he wins player of the tournament in Copa America in helping his country win it and you say it's not too much too write home about ?

But im bowing out now as tbh im struggling to understand what you're writing and lack of research before posting - the Copa America a perfect example :thup:
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
I said La Liga was more open in terms of the way they play - more attacking

And UEFA have Holland just behind France in the Co Efficents

So he wins player of the tournament in Copa America in helping his country win it and you say it's not too much too write home about ?
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i said his goal tally wasn't impressive. At the end of the day he is a striker. And years from now that is what he will be judged on.
Holland is below England, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Italy, France and Russia. Meaning they are 8th. Like I said. Not a top league. But hey that's only uefa's opinion.......
 
NWJocko said:
Fair response, although Ronaldos stats about assists somewhat contradict your view on "bringing others into the game".

As I said, I'm not a fan of Ronaldo, my opinion is that he's at the very top table whereas Suarez is one of a number a rung below.

You are entitled to your opinion as I've said :thup:
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80% of Ronaldo's assist are from a deadball situation. Heard that on 5Live - he is deadly from a set piece

Catch you later :thup:
 
Would you take Ronaldo at Liverpool or be of the opinion that Suarez is better so you wouldn't need him? (Excluding the previous manc connection)[/QUOTE]

Ronaldo is a fantastic player, no-one can doubt that. He was the best striker last year (2013). Suarez is equally the best player of the last 3-4 months.
I don’t like him as a persona, or Ibrahimovic either. All me,me.me. generally LFC fans, and myself also would prefer a “working class hero”. Suarez didn’t have shoes for parts of his childhodd, and is from the barrios, which is what attracts him to us. Although not as poor, Torres didn’t have a privileged childhood, Dalglish neither. Ok – what has this to do with football, nothing really, but still doesn’t make it not important to us scousers.
I do think that Real Madrid and Barca are refereed massively different to all the other Spanish clubs, they are also galacticos in general from front to back. Still Messi and Ronaldo are massively skilled and one in two generation footballers. I do think that doing it in the Prem would be harder for them. Every game is a battle, refs let more go, weather is more changeable.
I do think Suarez would score a similar amount of goals as Messi and Ronaldo if he played for Barca/Real with them same players around him.
Ronaldo and Messi would score 40-50 goals a season if they played for the current Liverpool team, probably 60 plus if they played for City, but I doubt as much as in Spain.

Ronaldo was an LFC fan as a kid, as well as Madrid, from what I've heard. See told you he was a knob!


 
NWJocko said:
Who cares where the assists come from? Does that belittle them or something?

How many free kicks has Suarez scored this season?
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It doesn't belittle anything - it was actually highlighting how good he is from a deadball situation - blimey can't even give him some praise

:rolleyes:
 
Liverbirdie said:
Would you take Ronaldo at Liverpool or be of the opinion that Suarez is better so you wouldn't need him? (Excluding the previous manc connection)
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Ronaldo is a fantastic player, no-one can doubt that. He was the best striker last year (2013). Suarez is equally the best player of the last 3-4 months.
I don’t like him as a persona, or Ibrahimovic either. All me,me.me. generally LFC fans, and myself also would prefer a “working class hero”. Suarez didn’t have shoes for parts of his childhodd, and is from the barrios, which is what attracts him to us. Although not as poor, Torres didn’t have a privileged childhood, Dalglish neither. Ok – what has this to do with football, nothing really, but still doesn’t make it not important to us scousers.
I do think that Real Madrid and Barca are refereed massively different to all the other Spanish clubs, they are also galacticos in general from front to back. Still Messi and Ronaldo are massively skilled and one in two generation footballers. I do think that doing it in the Prem would be harder for them. Every game is a battle, refs let more go, weather is more changeable.
I do think Suarez would score a similar amount of goals as Messi and Ronaldo if he played for Barca/Real with them same players around him.
Ronaldo and Messi would score 40-50 goals a season if they played for the current Liverpool team, probably 60 plus if they played for City, but I doubt as much as in Spain.

Ronaldo was an LFC fan as a kid, as well as Madrid, from what I've heard. See told you he was a knob!


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Spot on :thup:
 
Liverbirdie said:
Would you take Ronaldo at Liverpool or be of the opinion that Suarez is better so you wouldn't need him? (Excluding the previous manc connection)
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Ronaldo is a fantastic player, no-one can doubt that. He was the best striker last year (2013). Suarez is equally the best player of the last 3-4 months.
I don’t like him as a persona, or Ibrahimovic either. All me,me.me. generally LFC fans, and myself also would prefer a “working class hero”. Suarez didn’t have shoes for parts of his childhodd, and is from the barrios, which is what attracts him to us. Although not as poor, Torres didn’t have a privileged childhood, Dalglish neither. Ok – what has this to do with football, nothing really, but still doesn’t make it not important to us scousers.
I do think that Real Madrid and Barca are refereed massively different to all the other Spanish clubs, they are also galacticos in general from front to back. Still Messi and Ronaldo are massively skilled and one in two generation footballers. I do think that doing it in the Prem would be harder for them. Every game is a battle, refs let more go, weather is more changeable.
I do think Suarez would score a similar amount of goals as Messi and Ronaldo if he played for Barca/Real with them same players around him.
Ronaldo and Messi would score 40-50 goals a season if they played for the current Liverpool team, probably 60 plus if they played for City, but I doubt as much as in Spain.

Ronaldo was an LFC fan as a kid, as well as Madrid, from what I've heard. See told you he was a knob!


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LB I love your take on Liverpool FC and, to a large degree, agree re the origination of your "heroes".

As a point of note though Ronaldo has scored more this season than Suarez, by a good bit. There are arguments about strength of the leagues etc but can you say Ronaldo wouldn't score 4 against Norwich?!

I like Suarez (which seems to have been lost) I just believe he is not at the same level as Ronaldo and Messi.

Hey ho, all of them are welcome at Pittodrie this transfer window :whistle:

Edit, just to add, whilst I don't like him, Ronaldos achievements are more impressive given he is not surrounded by, arguably, 2 or 3 of the other 5 best players in the world as Messi is.
 
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