Not a bad team....

[Papas1982]

Hopefully he does just carry on letting his football do the talking - unfortunately it won't stop people going back through the years to keep dragging his errors up

Mad I said earlier, people had stopped that till he bit Ivanovic. If he goes the whole season without it then he will be thought of highly I'm sure. But I would agree that it doesn't matter what he does it will hold him back. Maradonna would I believe be renowned as the best ever if not for his misdemeanors......

 

[guest100718]

Hopefully he does just carry on letting his football do the talking - unfortunately it won't stop people going back through the years to keep dragging his errors up

through the years!!!! he missed was banned for the first 6 games of THIS season.

 

[Papas1982]

Won't stop people same happens\happened with others Eric Cantona for instance.

tbf booting a fan is pretty much career suicide. Still held in high esteem generally. Was never gonna be mentioned as the woods best as his performances weren't at that standard. High, but nowhere near the top players of the past.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

through the years!!!! he missed was banned for the first 6 games of THIS season.

He has served his punishment and is now letting his football do the talking

The incident was last season

Did he steal your last cookie or something

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Mad I said earlier, people had stopped that till he bit Ivanovic. If he goes the whole season without it then he will be thought of highly I'm sure. But I would agree that it doesn't matter what he does it will hold him back. Maradonna would I believe be renowned as the best ever if not for his misdemeanors......

I don't think it will hold him back because I don't think he cares what people think - teams will still want him regardless.

Players have done worse

 

[Papas1982]

I don't think it will hold him back because I don't think he cares what people think - teams will still want him regardless.

Players have done worse

i dont mean mean hold his performances back, but all players want to be remembered. On e their careers over. If he's clean from now on in he'll probably have a good legacy. If it continues for the next few years as it has then he won't be. I'd agree currently teams will try and buy him. But IF he were to do something stupid agin before next season I think he'd have less options. Liverpool would be delighted to keep him of course as he's a class player. But would a Madrid or Barca go after him if he had got himself another lengthy ban?

 

[USER1999]

Messi and CR are something else.

Beneath them, in no particular order, are Suares, bale, rvp, ibrahimovich, falcao, llorente, etc. they aren't even close to the top two. Come on, 80 odd goals a season? What ever league you play in, that's pretty awesome.

 

[NWJocko]

Messi and CR are something else.

Beneath them, in no particular order, are Suares, bale, rvp, ibrahimovich, falcao, llorente, etc. they aren't even close to the top two. Come on, 80 odd goals a season? What ever league you play in, that's pretty awesome.

Completely agree, similar to my post but appears sense isn't welcome here

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Completely agree, similar to my post but appears sense isn't welcome here

100% agree.

However, unfortunately on this forum all football-related threads get destroyed by the usual tribalism and partisanship with opinions seemingly influenced by club loyalties and bias.

 

[NWJocko]

100% agree.

However, unfortunately on this forum all football-related threads get destroyed by the usual tribalism and partisanship with opinions seemingly influenced by club loyalties and bias.

To be fair, I could start an Aberdeen FC thread that would probably avoid all the nonsense!! :rofl:

 

[Papas1982]

100% agree.

However, unfortunately on this forum all football-related threads get destroyed by the usual tribalism and partisanship with opinions seemingly influenced by club loyalties and bias.

Most threads on here where opinions are asked end up pretty heated. Just look at the infamous where to stand gate!
Massive a Saints fan I'm pretty neutral as far as allegiances go in relation to this post. I'd like to think that as 'heated' as these threads get. We'd all share a beer or cocoa after a round?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

100% agree.

However, unfortunately on this forum all football-related threads get destroyed by the usual tribalism and partisanship with opinions seemingly influenced by club loyalties and bias.

Extremely valid both ways

Am I biased towards Suarez - yes

Would I still think he was one of the best in the world if he played for someone else - yes

I think he is up there with Ronaldo behind Messi and I would have Suarez before Ronaldo. That would be valid regardless of who he played for.

 

[NWJocko]

Extremely valid both ways

Am I biased towards Suarez - yes

Would I still think he was one of the best in the world if he played for someone else - yes

I think he is up there with Ronaldo behind Messi and I would have Suarez before Ronaldo. That would be valid regardless of who he played for.

So you would take someone that scores 20-30 goals a season over someone that scores 50+?

Why?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you would take someone that scores 20-30 goals a season over someone that scores 50+?

Why?

Ronaldo never scored 50 plus in the prem - no one has and no one will. 31 was his best

Suarez would also score 50 goals in La Liga - think he managed it in Holland.

So far this season Suarez has scored 22 goals in 16 games and Ronaldo 20 in 18 games in a league that isn't as strong defensively than the prem.

 

[Papas1982]

Ronaldo never scored 50 plus in the prem - no one has and no one will. 31 was his best

Suarez would also score 50 goals in La Liga - think he managed it in Holland.

So far this season Suarez has scored 22 goals in 16 games and Ronaldo 20 in 18 games in a league that isn't as strong defensively than the prem.

I think it's early days to assume what Suarez would do after at best a year of being on this prolific run. Also, this weak Spanish league people talk about. Would this be the one where lesser thought of teams have been doing well in both European tournaments? Ronaldo also scored his 30 as a winger, not his teams focal point. Anyways, hopefully Suarez will move to the easy Spanish year next year and we can see.

ronaldo also has 9 in the champions league. Something nobody else has done in the group stage before.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think it's early days to assume what Suarez would do after at best a year of being on this prolific run. Also, this weak Spanish league people talk about. Would this be the one where lesser thought of teams have been doing well in both European tournaments? Ronaldo also scored his 30 as a winger, not his teams focal point. Anyways, hopefully Suarez will move to the easy Spanish year next year and we can see.

Which lesser thought of teams ?

Ronaldo took every single set piece and played as a striker when he scored his 30 goals for the Mancs.

I also suggest you look at Suarezs history of scoring - he has been prolific for a good deal amount of years - even at Ajax he scored about 90 odd goals in just over 110 games .

And why hopefully he leaves ? Having the best players in the prem is good for the prem.

 

[NWJocko]

Ronaldo never scored 50 plus in the prem - no one has and no one will. 31 was his best

Suarez would also score 50 goals in La Liga - think he managed it in Holland.

So far this season Suarez has scored 22 goals in 16 games and Ronaldo 20 in 18 games in a league that isn't as strong defensively than the prem.

Why would Suarez score more in La Liga? Because there are teams that aren't of the calibre of Hull, Fulham, crystal palace etc!?

Can't be too bothered by this but, the last 3 calendar years, for Madrid, Ronaldo has scored more than 60 goals in each year!

You seem to have ignored where I said Suarez was an exceptional player. He just isn't at the level of Ronaldo and Messi.

Ronaldo has scored (from a very quick google) 153 goals in 130 games from Madrid. That is a different level to Suarez who didn't top 50 goals in Holland in a year.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion but, in terms of cold hard facts, Ronaldo is miles ahead.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why would Suarez score more in La Liga? Because there are teams that aren't of the calibre of Hull, Fulham, crystal palace etc!?

Can't be too bothered by this but, the last 3 calendar years, for Madrid, Ronaldo has scored more than 60 goals in each year!

You seem to have ignored where I said Suarez was an exceptional player. He just isn't at the level of Ronaldo and Messi.

Ronaldo has scored (from a very quick google) 153 goals in 130 games from Madrid. That is a different level to Suarez who didn't top 50 goals in Holland.

Because I believe la Liga is a more open league in terms of scoring goals giving players like Ronaldo more opportunities

Where as the prem is a tighter league - during the winter moves especially the games get heavy and close and scoring isn't as high - hence why no one has ever managed massive scoring in the league despite over the years having the best strikers in the world playing including Ronaldo. Teams like Hull and Palace fight to the death and make it difficult for other teams - the difference between the two leagues is clear. Playing in a more open league then Suarez I believe would score a lot more. The prem is historical lower scoring for individuals.

At the end of the day there is no right or wrong only opinions and I can only express my opinion on a player I have seen regularly over the years and rate very highly and not just because of the amount of goals he scores but of everything he brings to the pitch.

 

[NWJocko]

Because I believe la Liga is a more open league in terms of scoring goals giving players like Ronaldo more opportunities

Where as the prem is a tighter league - during the winter moves especially the games get heavy and close and scoring isn't as high - hence why no one has ever managed massive scoring in the league despite over the years having the best strikers in the world playing including Ronaldo. Teams like Hull and Palace fight to the death and make it difficult for other teams - the difference between the two leagues is clear. Playing in a more open league then Suarez I believe would score a lot more. The prem is historical lower scoring for individuals.

At the end of the day there is no right or wrong only opinions and I can only express my opinion on a player I have seen regularly over the years and rate very highly and not just because of the amount of goals he scores but of everything he brings to the pitch.

Like Stoke on a cold January weekend? Is lower scoring you're right......

As you say it's about opinions, I'd suggest you'd be in a monumental minority suggesting Suarez is a better player than Ronaldo.

Oh, Ronaldo scored 42 goals in a season for man Utd (domestically). I'm not his biggest fan but your arguments are just quite funny

 

[Liverbirdie]

Note biased at all? Ronaldo has scored just as prolifically as Messi for last 5 years. Also carried a poor Portugal team. He might not win as often as messi but that's because he's not the poster boy for FIFA. When real won league messi got it for more goals, when bar a won league messi got it with less goals.......

as to suarez. This season he will be a shoe in if he behaves. But his performances over 2013 weren't drastically better than bales, and bakes didn't bite anybody or racially abuse someone. Also, been as this was voted for by fans. It's fair to say that the majority if fans rate other players above him.

The ballon d’or isn’t voted for by the fans, it’s voted for by “selected” players, journalists and coaches throughout Europe, I think only about 530 IIRC.
Let’s face it with all bias aside players from these shores have rarely done well in it, Spain and Italy have tended to dominate it over the years – more sexy?

Yep, 100 x times the man and player the racist, scouse, biting, cheater will ever be

Cheater - Bale, Biter - Defoe, Scouse - Danny Murphy (well not technically, but you think Uruguay is a suburb of Liverpool, so why not), Racist - your own fans, see yids song - you should be a Suarez fan Paddy (all wrapped up in one, for you)

100% agree.

However, unfortunately on this forum all football-related threads get destroyed by the usual tribalism and partisanship with opinions seemingly influenced by club loyalties and bias.

Being Honest Mickie, apart from Celtic/Rangers threads, I think mostly people can overall sensibly debate football topics. It’s the few wind up merchants, who don’t normally support the teams involved, who stir it up.

They can sit back throw in the odd bomb from their armchair which is precariously sitting on a high horse, perched on top of an ivory tower. It is the only oxygen they get from football, as their teams are rarely discussed, even if you can manage to tell who they support in the first place.

LiverpoolPhil, learn to laugh at them, I’ve had some great debates on here with footy fans of all persuasions, pick out the divvies if you want occasionally, but don’t react all the time, there not worth it mate.