No 1 Swing Fundamental
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Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I wouldn't because I know Jack about a Golf Swing...!!:ears:
Is there 1 Swing Fundamental that's more important than the others?
Are they not all as important as each other - doesn't one "flow" from the other?
You could keep your head still but if your takeaway is skewed then you're in trouble, same as getting the swing plane right but getting something else wrong....
As I said - I don't know. I try not to think too much during a golf swing. I guess I'm lucky enough to be able to make a decent contact more often than not so don't worry about the "why's".
wolfie
Assistant Pro
surely there are different fundamentals for every one of us as we are all different. Everybody has a different swing . Many dont have the perfect swing but are still in low figures. all the pros have different swings, grips etc. look at john daly and jim fuyrk to name but a few. I know nothing about a golf swing and dont profess to but this is just my opinion.
Matty
Tour Rookie
I'm with you, no matter how elegant and efficient the take away, posture, grip, spine angle, swing plane, finish position etc etc, it all makes no odds at all if the ball doesn't move!!
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The question was 'Swing Fundamental' Hitting the ball is not the swing, its the result of the swing.
hopeful
Assistant Pro
Sorry to disagree but I think there are several fundamentals and if you just one if them wrong it will worsen your shot. Isn't that (part of) what makes the game so challenging and makes you feel so chuffed when you get it right?
In_The_Rough
Tour Winner
I did mean until impact position:smirk: Like in the vid below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s-fPSYo-pc&feature=fvst
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Total Poo!
There are no 'swing' fundamentals as they are all variable, which is why we get swings as diverse as Furyk's or Kuchar's. There are 'hitting' fundamentals as Bobmac posted earlier, they are known as the 5 ballflight laws and they require you to deliver the clubhead at an appropriate speed with the correct alignment of the face to path. How you go about achieveing that is variable although in essence there are do's and don'ts but no golden rules. Grip, posture and even alignment aren't fundamentals, they are variables (you'll notice they don't even appear on Bobmac's [PGA PROFESSIONAL] post).... so poo-poo all you like.... I'm sure you've won a couple of majors
bluetoon
Challenge Tour Pro
There are no 'swing' fundamentals as they are all variable, which is why we get swings as diverse as Furyk's or Kuchar's. There are 'hitting' fundamentals as Bobmac posted earlier, they are known as the 5 ballflight laws and they require you to deliver the clubhead at an appropriate speed with the correct alignment of the face to path. How you go about achieveing that is variable although in essence there are do's and don'ts but no golden rules. Grip, posture and even alignment aren't fundamentals, they are variables (you'll notice they don't even appear on Bobmac's [PGA PROFESSIONAL] post).... so poo-poo all you like.... I'm sure you've won a couple of majors
Variables?....very true, lots of them. :thup:
No Fundamentals?, your either playing word games or talking tosh.....can't decide yet.
Yer Maw
Head Pro
Pretty sure that everything else is compensating for a bad grip. Get the grip right and then move onto getting the next bit right. Still not 100% sure about my set up but too lazy to sort out a lesson.
Foxholer
Blackballed
BobMac's already got a couple of 'Thanks' for specifying the (5) Ballflight Laws as 'Fundamentals'
http://www.pgamagazinedigital.com/issue/48275 See page 102-104
H'mm. Perhaps I'll change my view to the Harmon approach!
Doesn't work for me though. I'll continue with 'relaxed' but straight at impact and save some damage to my body!
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In_The_Rough
Tour Winner
BobMac's already got a couple of 'Thanks' for specifying the (5) Ballflight Laws as 'Fundamentals'
http://www.pgamagazinedigital.com/issue/48275 See page 102-104
H'mm. Perhaps I'll change my view to the Harmon approach!
I find unless my Left arm is totally straight until impact then all sorts of problems occur, soon as the Left elbow caves in or bends outwards then Fat shots are commonplace as well as topping and thins but the Fats more than anything I have got myself on film doing this and the results are obvious. So for these reasons this is the thing I focus on the most at present, Adam Scott has the swing I most try to copy, that was until I saw that Korean lads swing that Bob posted a while back!!!
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
BobMac's already got a couple of 'Thanks' for specifying the (5) Ballflight Laws as 'Fundamentals'
http://www.pgamagazinedigital.com/issue/48275 See page 102-104
H'mm. Perhaps I'll change my view to the Harmon approach!
I've no issue with the 5 ballflight laws in terms of actually hitting the ball, I think you're confusing my comment with the 9 ballflight laws pertaining to shot shapes and path/face relationship... which we are not discussing in this thread.
Pertaining to left arm straight: it's not a fundamental but a principle. If you read the article you posted it references the 5 ballflight laws, 14 principles and LIMITLESS number of preferences to swing the club. If you don't want a straight left arm then that's your choice and you have to figure out how to implement it in your own swing, in terms of instruction the PREFERENCE would be to keep the arm as straight as possible to maintain the integrity of the 'lever'.
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A fundamental is an "important part of.."
So they are all fundamental to getting the ball to move.
Doesn't mean they can't be variable tho'. One person's good alignment ( EG Bubba's) is another person's lost ball.
But as long as Bubba lines up properly for his own swing, it'll work for him.
But if everyone doesn't line up the right way for themselves, they'll be in the poopoo.
The hit is vital, but how do you get there? By swinging the club.
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JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Actually they are not.
You can aim left or right and still hit the ball towards the target, you can grip strong or weak and still hit it towards the target... you can even lose your spine angle and still hit it towards the target.... or like yourself you can do all 3 and occasionally hit it towards the target
There are no fundamentals in the swing, only principles, of which I'd put 'maintaining a steady head' as No1.
A fundamental of getting the ball to move would be hitting the ball before the ground :thup:
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Can you show me a swing of a pro that dosent. The spine can be straightened but not until after impact.
At the end of the day the only fundamental has to be returning the clubhead to the ball square on a regular basis. Forget ball flight laws, etc if you are making a half decent swing and can control the club face enough to return it to sqaure and hit the ball you are never going to go far wrong. You only have to look at the pro game, particularly some of the top female golfers. They all seem to have a lot of differing swings but all retunr the club at impact perfectly.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
So James, you are quite clever with your semantics, I guess you could have taught Ben Hogan a thing or two when he named his book 'Five lessons: the modern fundamentals of golf' what was he thinking of, shame you were not around to correct him.
It amazes me how such a straight forward question can be made so confusing. ' Fundamental ' Serving as an http://www.definitions.net/definition/essentialessential component'
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Foxholer
Blackballed
Rocco Mediate certainly doesn't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV6lvYZo1FQ
Alviro Quiros certainly doesn't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APuaJXoA2I
Martin Kaymer softens it at the top - though can't find anything side-on sufficiently obvious
Peter Hanson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtudJoocQSk
Fred Couples http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wHT7jpuQCM
Ricky Fowler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e-FQbMWfok&feature=related
Bubba Watson http://www.progolfswingvideos.com/2010/06/bubba-watson-swing-vision-slow-motion.html
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
You are confusing me, none of those vids show a change of forward spine angle to me. You can only take a line on the tops of their heads from these angles (down the line would be better) If they rise up or drop down their head will move up and/or down. I am not talking abouttheir hips pushing forward I am talking about lifting up. OK, they may move a fraction as people are not machines like 'Iron Biron, but with the best players this is very small.
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