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[MendieGK]

Ah yea! Absolutely RIDICULOUS game. I'm torn because Fitz deserves a ring, but I cannot abide Bruce Arians and to see him win a Super Bowl would be truly awful.

But Sadly, the Cardinals will get blown out this weekend if the Panthers bring their A game.

Not a chance. Panthers have had one of the easiest schedules in the history of the NFL. They are so overrated. I literally cannot stand cam either. Such an arrogant F*ck!

To play the NFC east and the AfC south in the same season is absolutely ridiculous. That's without taking into account how bad there own division is.

They won 2 games of meaning all year - Seahawks who were awful first 6 games, and packers who were in the midst of a horrific slump.

They had some unreal luck against the Giants and the saints too - terrible INt drops. I think it's pretty bad Brady isn't going to win the MvP, he does so much with so little.

I've been impressed with the Seahawks this year, but Wilson needs to stop adlibbing plays all the time (admittedly a poor O-line) doesn't help.

A number of times against the Vikings last week there were blantant intentional grounding calls that refs don't flag. Quite how a receiver who is 20yds away can be classed as 'in the vicinity' is beyond me

 

[Aztecs27]

Looking forward to hearing about this...when the Panthers thrash whoever gets there with them. They, IMO, are the only team that look interested and committed to the whole thing. The more I watch of this sport the more I think it's fixed.

That's a pretty ridiculous observation, if you don't mind me saying. You could say that about most sports when teams "don't look interested". The way the NFL market works in the US; if it was fixed, the only teams that would win (or have the chance to win) each year would be the big market marquee teams and those with the richest owners; The Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, New York Jets, Miami Dolphins, Pittsburgh Steelers, San Fransisco 49ers, Green Bay Packers and the New England Patriots.

Now the Patriots make it to the playoffs each year because their coach is a cheat (and is actually a pretty good coach) - but he gets away with questionable stuff, somehow...So you'd have an argument there. But the rest of the teams are utterly terrible. The Cowboys are "America's Team" and haven't been relevant for over 20 years. The Packers keep getting beaten by last minute heartbreak in the playoffs, the 49ers have also not been relevant in over 20 years, neither have the Dolphins...You never ever see half these teams making the playoffs, let alone winning the whole thing.

My comment was made because the AFC teams just look weaker and have older rosters (Peyton Manning is in his 40's can barely throw a ball any more and is taking a beating every single week).

The great thing about the NFL is the way that drafting players works, to give the league parity - the worst teams each year gets the pick of the top new young players coming out of college, and every team has the same salary cap, which is why it's so hard to repeat and win, year after year. This is what makes it so entertaining and unpredictable - unlike football where it's continually the same teams winning each season (except this one )

 

[MendieGK]

The great thing about the NFL is the way that drafting players works, to give the league parity - the worst teams each year gets the pick of the top new young players coming out of college, and every team has the same salary cap, which is why it's so hard to repeat and win, year after year. This is what makes it so entertaining and unpredictable - unlike football where it's continually the same teams winning each season (except this one )

Nailed it.

Fixed.... are you joking. what a stupid post

 

[Aztecs27]

Not a chance. Panthers have had one of the easiest schedules in the history of the NFL. They are so overrated. I literally cannot stand cam either. Such an arrogant F*ck!

To play the NFC east and the AfC south in the same season is absolutely ridiculous. That's without taking into account how bad there own division is.

They won 2 games of meaning all year - Seahawks who were awful first 6 games, and packers who were in the midst of a horrific slump.

They had some unreal luck against the Giants and the saints too - terrible INt drops. I think it's pretty bad Brady isn't going to win the MvP, he does so much with so little.

I've been impressed with the Seahawks this year, but Wilson needs to stop adlibbing plays all the time (admittedly a poor O-line) doesn't help.

A number of times against the Vikings last week there were blantant intentional grounding calls that refs don't flag. Quite how a receiver who is 20yds away can be classed as 'in the vicinity' is beyond me

Trouble is, the Cardinals are pretty terrible as well. The Panthers are the Seahawks two years ago with a pretty dominant Defense - which I don't think the Cardinals can handle - look what the Seahawks did to them 3 weeks ago in one half (before they "rested their starters") - I'll be shocked (and impressed!) if a 50 year old Carson Palmer beats that defense.

The Pats are the only legitimate team in the AFC and get 6 easy games a year playing in the AFC East. And who also got to play the NFC East and AFC south this year...sooo...if we're talking about "easy schedules"

Once the Seahawks shored up the O-Line Wilson was basically pocket-passing all year (and was the best QB in the league, statistically this season as a result) - only bailing and using scramble drills when absolutely necessary. It was a joy to watch. Because of the poor field conditions on sunday (and the equipment men clearly not having the right cleats for the players), both lines became leaky early on, hence the long runs by Carolina and seemingly having no O-Line for Wilson to sit behind. Pretty happy with the season overall though! That second half comeback should hold them in good stead going into next season.

 

[MendieGK]

Trouble is, the Cardinals are pretty terrible as well. The Panthers are the Seahawks two years ago with a pretty dominant Defense - which I don't think the Cardinals can handle - look what the Seahawks did to them 3 weeks ago in one half (before they "rested their starters") - I'll be shocked (and impressed!) if a 50 year old Carson Palmer beats that defense.

The Pats are the only legitimate team in the AFC and get 6 easy games a year playing in the AFC East. And who also got to play the NFC East and AFC south this year...sooo...if we're talking about "easy schedules"

Once the Seahawks shored up the O-Line Wilson was basically pocket-passing all year (and was the best QB in the league, statistically this season as a result) - only bailing and using scramble drills when absolutely necessary. It was a joy to watch. Because of the poor field conditions on sunday (and the equipment men clearly not having the right cleats for the players), both lines became leaky early on, hence the long runs by Carolina and seemingly having no O-Line for Wilson to sit behind. Pretty happy with the season overall though! That second half comeback should hold them in good stead going into next season.

I'm not a pats fan, I'm a huge packers fan.

Wilson is not a top QB yet, he's good but not up there with the best. I'd take At least 6 other QBs over him at the moment.

That throw he threw on 3rd down for the last TD on Sunday was brain dead. And ridiculously lucky. But then again Hawks have made a habit of getting lucky in recent years so it doesn't suprise me. .

 

[Aztecs27]

I'm not a pats fan, I'm a huge packers fan.

Wilson is not a top QB yet, he's good but not up there with the best. I'd take At least 6 other QBs over him at the moment.

That throw he threw on 3rd down for the last TD on Sunday was brain dead. And ridiculously lucky. But then again Hawks have made a habit of getting lucky in recent years so it doesn't suprise me. .

Ah! Explains why you sound so bitter about Wilson and the Seahawks

You make your own luck, he makes those passes regularly for a reason - he sees an (albeit small) window and tries to make something happen - He also made that throw as he knew he had nothing to lose, if it's a close game, he throws it away. People don't give him enough credit for his accuracy and arm strength because they think he's just a running back who can make some throws.. One could argue that the two Hail Mary throws by Aaron Rogers this season were as lucky?

Genuinely interested to know which 6 QB's you'd take ahead of Wilson - obviously I'm biased, but I've obviously watched all of his games (along with a lot of other football weekly - bloody love Game Pass! ) and I'd agree he's not at Brady, Rogers level yet, but there's definitely (imho) not another 4 QB's ahead of him now. Beginning of the season yes, but not now - his play in the second half of the season was something to behold. He's the only QB (or maybe only one other) to go 5 straight games with 3+ TD passes. You don't do that by just being average.

as a side note - love being able to talk NFL with people - no one at work gives a jot

 

[Deleted member 18645]

A number of times against the Vikings last week there were blantant intentional grounding calls that refs don't flag. Quite how a receiver who is 20yds away can be classed as 'in the vicinity' is beyond me

If a quarterback is outside the pocket, ie: the original position of the tackles, then he can throw the ball away irrespective of any receiver being in the area. The only proviso is that the ball has to get back to the line of scrimmage.

 

[MendieGK]

Ah! Explains why you sound so bitter about Wilson and the Seahawks

You make your own luck, he makes those passes regularly for a reason - he sees an (albeit small) window and tries to make something happen - He also made that throw as he knew he had nothing to lose, if it's a close game, he throws it away. People don't give him enough credit for his accuracy and arm strength because they think he's just a running back who can make some throws.. One could argue that the two Hail Mary throws by Aaron Rogers this season were as lucky?

Genuinely interested to know which 6 QB's you'd take ahead of Wilson - obviously I'm biased, but I've obviously watched all of his games (along with a lot of other football weekly - bloody love Game Pass! ) and I'd agree he's not at Brady, Rogers level yet, but there's definitely (imho) not another 4 QB's ahead of him now. Beginning of the season yes, but not now - his play in the second half of the season was something to behold. He's the only QB (or maybe only one other) to go 5 straight games with 3+ TD passes. You don't do that by just being average.

as a side note - love being able to talk NFL with people - no one at work gives a jot

Haha, in guessing your involved with the Aztecs too? I stopped playing for Swindon last season after the Mrs made me stop (golf and football don't go)

Rodgers throws were absolutely lucky mate. But if wilsons throw was picked it's game over, if he threw it away, could have kicked FG and still had a shot.

I'm a traditional QB fan, so would pick- Rodgers, Brady, Big Ben, luck 100% - don't think they can be argued.

Also would take Rivers and Romo. Rivers would have multiple playoffs appearances with another team.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

I despise three of the teams left in the Super Bowl race but have friends on the Denver and Arizona teams so will simply root for one of them to get a Super Bowl ring now.

 

[Norrin Radd]

GO PATS nuff said

 

[MendieGK]

If a quarterback is outside the pocket, ie: the original position of the tackles, then he can throw the ball away irrespective of any receiver being in the area. The only proviso is that the ball has to get back to the line of scrimmage.

Yeah I know that. But he has been inside the pocket each time

 

[Aztecs27]

Haha, in guessing your involved with the Aztecs too? I stopped playing for Swindon last season after the Mrs made me stop (golf and football don't go)

Rodgers throws were absolutely lucky mate. But if wilsons throw was picked it's game over, if he threw it away, could have kicked FG and still had a shot.

I'm a traditional QB fan, so would pick- Rodgers, Brady, Big Ben, luck 100% - don't think they can be argued.

Also would take Rivers and Romo. Rivers would have multiple playoffs appearances with another team.

Fair enough - Rivers and Romo is a bit laughable - They've had plenty of weapons between them over the years and never managed to get it done.

Re: the stupid throw - I don't think there wasn't enough time left to take a FG at that point, they needed to keep the momentum up - but in reality the drive where we were forced to punt that killed off the comeback.

Used to be part of the Aztecs (when I joined this board way back when!), but not any more - still got loads of mates there though. I assume you know Steve Bennett if you played at Swindon? I think he was responsible for helping get the team up and running if I remember rightly - he played for us for a few years too.

 

[MendieGK]

Fair enough - Rivers and Romo is a bit laughable - They've had plenty of weapons between them over the years and never managed to get it done.

Re: the stupid throw - I don't think there wasn't enough time left to take a FG at that point, they needed to keep the momentum up - but in reality the drive where we were forced to punt that killed off the comeback.

Used to be part of the Aztecs (when I joined this board way back when!), but not any more - still got loads of mates there though. I assume you know Steve Bennett if you played at Swindon? I think he was responsible for helping get the team up and running if I remember rightly - he played for us for a few years too.

Yeah I know Steve well. I was there from the start but ultimately golf and having my little boy takes up too much time. Tried to convince her to let me go back for a year now that they've got a new coach, Steve is still involved but more as a chairman. He did well though.

Rivers is going to the HOF one day.

 

[Aztecs27]

Yeah I know Steve well. I was there from the start but ultimately golf and having my little boy takes up too much time. Tried to convince her to let me go back for a year now that they've got a new coach, Steve is still involved but more as a chairman. He did well though.

Rivers is going to the HOF one day.

Exactly why I stopped playing. You have to commit a huge amount of time to it to train and be in the gym to be football fit, and I just couldn't commit 9 months of the year to it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And the Bronco's and Manning are going to the Super Bowl :whoo:

Monster display from Miller

 

[MadAdey]

PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!!:whoo:

 

[Aztecs27]

As I predicted - total blow out from the Panthers, who look unstoppable.

Broncos Defense needs to play lights out next week and the Offense needs to show up if they want any chance to win. The Panthers front 7 will have a field day with that Broncos OL and Manning is likely to get killed at this rate.

Not going to lie, it was satisfying as hell to see Brady get hit time after time, after time.

 

[Tashyboy]

As I predicted - total blow out from the Panthers, who look unstoppable.

Broncos Defense needs to play lights out next week and the Offense needs to show up if they want any chance to win. The Panthers front 7 will have a field day with that Broncos OL and Manning is likely to get killed at this rate.

Not going to lie, it was satisfying as hell to see Brady get hit time after time, after time.

Well I did say that the patriots were not firing on all four, well done to the Broncos and panthers.

 

[Val]

As I predicted - total blow out from the Panthers, who look unstoppable.

Broncos Defense needs to play lights out next week and the Offense needs to show up if they want any chance to win. The Panthers front 7 will have a field day with that Broncos OL and Manning is likely to get killed at this rate.

Not going to lie, it was satisfying as hell to see Brady get hit time after time, after time.

I believe the Broncos got off the hook last night. A missed early extra point forced the play rather than kick from Patriots last TD and fancy if it had been forced into OT the Patriots would have seen it out. As much as Brady took plenty hits I still think he had a better game than Manning although I don't grudge Manning another visit to the Superbowl.

On current form I fancy the Panthers will win easily.

 

[MendieGK]

I believe the Broncos got off the hook last night. A missed early extra point forced the play rather than kick from Patriots last TD and fancy if it had been forced into OT the Patriots would have seen it out. As much as Brady took plenty hits I still think he had a better game than Manning although I don't grudge Manning another visit to the Superbowl.

On current form I fancy the Panthers will win easily.

Of course Brady had a better game than Manning, Manning wouldnt have been in the top 25 QBs in the entire league this year.

I cant see how Denver have a chance against the panthers, the panthers D is just as good as the Pats, but their offence is a lot better.

last nights game went exactly how Denver needed it to in order to win. a low scoring affair. any kind of shootout and theyd have been whitewashed. The only reason Pats were even in a position to score on the last drive was because of a busted lateral pass that the brain dead Running back didnt pick up even though it was clearly backward.

I hate Cam Newton, but i hope the panthers win now, theyve been the best team in the league this year, and NFC is considerably stronger than the AFC.