NFL

[Khamelion]

Not that I know a lot about NFL but having read the coach's (not the_coach) reasoning behind it I can sort of understand.

It was 2nd and goal, and they had 1 time out left.
If they run and don't make it they have 2 plays left and can only stop the clock once which won't allow them to run twice more with only about 15 seconds left.

Assuming they used all 4 downs they'd have had to have thrown once or risk running out of time, at which time the defence will be waiting for the pass. He thought it better to attempt the pass first when the defensive personnel were chosen for run stopping.
At worst he considered it a 'throw away' play because you don't think your QB is going to make a risky throw.

Looking at it that way, kind of makes sense, but why throw the ball inside, into the crowd, go wide, play action to the wings, at least that way, if the ball is caught and not put into the endzone, the player could go out of bounds stopping the clock, pass incomplete stops the clock. The Seahawks had already proven on their previous TD that from snap to catch was sub 2secs.

But even with the Pats expecting the run, with Lynch you had a better chance of getting the desired result, even a screen pass out wide to lynch, a little dump and run would have been better than what they did.

 

[swanny32]

LOL Seahawks. I wanted them to win as well but seriously, you can't help, as a neutral fan, not laughing at Pete Carrol's play call there. SHOCKING!

Congrats to the Pats, ground out a hell of a season and produced the goods even when they weren't playing all that well. Quite fancy them to go back to back as they have a decent squad and are not over spending on wages at all.

 

[Region3]

Looking at it that way, kind of makes sense, but why throw the ball inside, into the crowd, go wide, play action to the wings, at least that way, if the ball is caught and not put into the endzone, the player could go out of bounds stopping the clock, pass incomplete stops the clock. The Seahawks had already proven on their previous TD that from snap to catch was sub 2secs.

But even with the Pats expecting the run, with Lynch you had a better chance of getting the desired result, even a screen pass out wide to lynch, a little dump and run would have been better than what they did.

In hindsight anything would have been better than what they did, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Quick slants when done well are very hard to stop and the ball isn't in the air for very long. Passes to the outside in the endzone are generally more 'floaty' (not a real word) and in the air for longer.
You don't see many interceptions on 1yd passes inside. At worst you'd think incomplete.

Whether a coach would say this or it's up to the QB to be sensible I don't know, but with Lynch potentially having 2 attempts to get in if the pass fails then I'd expect the ball to be thrown away if the receiver hasn't got at least 2 steps on the DB.

Having said all that, the DB made a great play in reading it so quickly.

 

[garyinderry]

What about that catch out in corner to set up that last attack. unreal !

 

[Tashyboy]

Trouble is if that throw comes off then the coach is a genius, unfortunately it didn't for them.
everyone expected the run so the middle was compressed, and where did they throw the ball down the middle.

as a Pats fan fantastic, for the neutral fantastic, probably the only upset ones were the Seahawks.
what I'd find strange was the national anthem is being sung ( and quiet well as normally it gets murdered) and the crowd are booing people on the large stadium screens. Very disrespectful towards the national anthem me finks.

 

[Piece]

Ironic that they only got into the superbowl because of bad play calling, and then lost it because of their own bad play calling!

Just finished watching highlights and this very statement flashed across my mind. The theme through the play-offs is if you play low-risk you play to lose....mind you Wilson was throwing bombs in the final part of the end quarter and was lucky not to be intercepted.

 

[Paul_Stewart]

It was karma in the end. Think about how the playoffs went:-

Detroit get shafted on a pass interference call and lose to Dallas
Dallas get shafted on a completion call and lose to Green Bay
Green Bay choke like Adam Scott in the last two minutes and lose to Seattle
Seattle screw up the last play and lose to New England

All four teams suffered catastrophic losses. All we need now is for the Patriots to get shafted in the NFL hearing.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

It was karma in the end. Think about how the playoffs went:-

Detroit get shafted on a pass interference call and lose to Dallas
Dallas get shafted on a completion call and lose to Green Bay
Green Bay choke like Adam Scott in the last two minutes and lose to Seattle
Seattle screw up the last play and lose to New England

All four teams suffered catastrophic losses. All we need now is for the Patriots to get shafted in the NFL hearing.

Not a chance of that. No way would the League risk having the champs with an asterix next to them. This will magically disappear now.

I'm so unbelievably gutted about that result, which considering I have only been into NFL for a few years, actually shocked me. I understand the reasoning behind the pass, but it seems a crazy place to throw into the middle of the scrum.

Bevell the OC disappointed me afterwards as well. With Wilson and Carroll both stepping up taking the blame for him, he attempted to pass it off onto Lockette (who did admittedly mess up by not running as hard as he should). Bevell needed to step up, take the blame and move on. Seems to me a lot this season that our Offence has succeeded in spite of him, rather than because of him. Be interesting to see if he moves on in the off season.

Hoping that Lynch still signs the big contract, we need 2 more years of him to find and tran up a good replacement. Turbin is better on the speed runs, and Michael doesn't seem to be good enough to replace Lynch (at the moment).

I know we don't base much around WRs, but Michaels stepping up last night and Richardson coming back may be a small silver lining.

As much as the LOB get praised, we're awfully thin on back up D numbers, maybe some drafting on support for them would be useful.

 

[Crazyface]

Great final, weird ending. Smashing punch up. All watch from a recording the next day to be able to remove the rubbish spouted from the studio.

 

[MendieGK]

Not that I know a lot about NFL but having read the coach's (not the_coach) reasoning behind it I can sort of understand.

It was 2nd and goal, and they had 1 time out left.
If they run and don't make it they have 2 plays left and can only stop the clock once which won't allow them to run twice more with only about 15 seconds left.

Assuming they used all 4 downs they'd have had to have thrown once or risk running out of time, at which time the defence will be waiting for the pass. He thought it better to attempt the pass first when the defensive personnel were chosen for run stopping.
At worst he considered it a 'throw away' play because you don't think your QB is going to make a risky throw.

Bottom line is Russell Wilson should have seen the CB had jumped the play and thrown it away. The highes paid player in the game (which he will be in a few weeks should not throw that pick).

Also,Lynch had 6 runs from the 1yd line last season - he had 2 TD, 2 0yd gains and 2 tackles for a loss

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Bottom line is Russell Wilson should have seen the CB had jumped the play and thrown it away. The highes paid player in the game (which he will be in a few weeks should not throw that pick).

Also,Lynch had 6 runs from the 1yd line last season - he had 2 TD, 2 0yd gains and 2 tackles for a loss

a) Pats were last at defending the short run I believe
b) He had just powered through them
c) I don't think you can blame Wilson. It's a quick throw, and it's not a position where he can see what the DB had done, I don't think.

It all comes down to the playcall in my mind. If you want to pass, get it out to the edges. Or run a proper read option. Or just give Beastmode a chance. Just don't attempt a throw to a reciever known for being better at blocking than catching, in the middle of a scrum.

 

[Khamelion]

As someone wrote, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but watching it live, me and a mate both said straight way after the interception, why did he throw it, the play should've been the run with lynch.

But then we're not the offensive coordinator and he would've thought that his decision was the best one in the circumstances.

I still would've run the ball though

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

As someone wrote, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but watching it live, me and a mate both said straight way after the interception, why did he throw it, the play should've been the run with lynch.

But then we're not the offensive coordinator and he would've thought that his decision was the best one in the circumstances.

I still would've run the ball though

The OC is Darrell Bevell, I wou;dn't bank on assuming what he thought. I'm really hoping he goes this off-season. Not so much for that one HORRIBLE call, but for his calls throughout the season, and for his willingness to throw Lockette under the bus so easily. Gonna be hard for the team to play for him after that.

 

[Tashyboy]

Listened to an interesting comment last night.

why didn't the patriots let the Seahawks run the ball in for a touchdown to allow the pats to get the ball back like they did against the Giants the other year. I think most people assumed a TD was nailed on.

another point that has been massively overlooked with the throwing call is the play immediately after.

The pats had to get the ball out of the end zone if not, two points to the hawks and return of ball for ? Hail Mary time. the Seahawks indiscipline cost them more than once, during that game of all the stats that were rammed down our throats before the game, one stat which was overlooked was the Seahawks discipline record.
a lot has been said of the Pats re deflategate, but quite frankly the Gobby antics and not so Gobby antics of some of the Seahawks players rubbed one or two people up the wrong way and was not the best way to advertise the greatest game on turf.
That and the Seahawks cheap shots when they "lost the game " well I think the watching crowd game there views on that one.
Seahawks came across as good winners last year and poor losers this year.

 

[Piece]

On another thread, it's been said that because The Open is going to Sky that even less people will take golf up or watch it. Looking at NFL recently, it has become relatively massive in the UK. Why is that, seeing as most coverage is on PPV? There's a bit on C4, but its very late? In the 80s and 90s there was more terrestrial coverage but it never took off here (compared to now). Is it because the interest here was so low the only way is up? No doubt the Wembley games have helped but is that the sole reason? Interested to know the reasons why?

 

[Paul_Stewart]

Listened to an interesting comment last night. why didn't the patriots let the Seahawks run the ball in for a touchdown to allow the pats to get the ball back like they did against the Giants the other year. I think most people assumed a TD was nailed on.

Listen to Bill Simmons' superb podcast on ESPN - he talks through the whole situation. I personally think the left shark from half-time took over the play calling in the final minutes.

 

[Paul_Stewart]

On another thread, it's been said that because The Open is going to Sky that even less people will take golf up or watch it. Looking at NFL recently, it has become relatively massive in the UK. Why is that, seeing as most coverage is on PPV? There's a bit on C4, but its very late? In the 80s and 90s there was more terrestrial coverage but it never took off here (compared to now). Is it because the interest here was so low the only way is up? No doubt the Wembley games have helped but is that the sole reason? Interested to know the reasons why?

Oh God I could write on this one for hours. C4 switching to the Vicious Boys in 1987 killed off all the early momentum and when Mick Luckhurst and then Gary Imlach returned to present in 1988, the show was just too late to try and re-capture the audience.

Sky began live coverage in 1995 with single games from 9pm and went to double-headers a few years later. The viewing figures have remained solid for the past few years in spite of many people having direct NFL coverage of their own teams' games outside of Sky.

The Wembley games are simply a chance for fans to get together - who plays is almost incidental. Many real fans do not go to the Wembley games as it would mean missing their own team's games live on the net.

As the world has gotten smaller through the net, the following for many sports has increased without necessarily affecting TV numbers or apparent popularity. Baseball, basketball and hockey are all really popular in their own way in the UK just as Premier League football is in the States. There are simply more ways to watch the game now than there were in the mid 1980s.

 

[Piece]

Resurrecting oldish thread. I see that Brady has been banned for four games, returning against.... the Colts

Patriots also fined $1m for failing to co-operate fully, plus bans for some minor staff and losing some draft pick, the NFL says.

So....they cheated then?!?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Resurrecting oldish thread. I see that Brady has been banned for four games, returning against.... the Colts

Patriots also fined $1m for failing to co-operate fully, plus bans for some minor staff and losing some draft pick, the NFL says.

So....they cheated then?!?

Yep! Anyone surprised?!

I'm claiming a moral victory for the Hawks in the Superbowl (I'm sure we'll pass it back to them though on the two yard line!)

 

[Crazyface]

It didn't effect the Super Bowl though? The ban means that the dolphins may have a chance to make the play offs this season though. Although I'm still megga "fed up" (infractions eh? pah !!!!) at not getting tickets for the Wembley game. The NFL UK are UTTERLY USELESS. If I ever get an opportunity to meet a representative from that organisation the red mist will come down big style !!!!!!!!