New Labour Leader

[Doon frae Troon]

The candidates for leader do not look very inspiring.
They all seem entrenched within their old values, no one seems capable of uniting the party.
Ian Murray going for deputy leader is perhaps a little ray of sunshine, as the only Scots MP doubtful he will get elected

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I don't understand the return of fascistic politics throughout the west, but I can help thinking that immigration has a lot to do with it.

What's the major difference between Labor (Labour?) and Liberal Democrats, and why are working class people, especially in England, voting Tory?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I have to disagree Doon. I could easy go for Keir Starmer, Jess Phillips or Lisa Nandy.

Yes KS might be portrayed as being the 'wrong' side of the Brexit argument for many New Tory voters - but in the coming years I feel that negativity to KS from the Brexit Debate will fade, as awareness of the Brexit Impact issues and undelivered promises will heighten...and KS would be a strong and forceful debater on these issues - able to take Johnson on, on the issues and matters of Fact and undelivered promises.

Nandy - perhaps seems a bit young, Phillips I like but (like Nandy) has a less deep understanding of government and the detail to draw upon to take on Johnson.

Rebecca Long Bailey, Emily Thornberry and Clive Lewis. All fine but for different reasons would not work for me.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't understand the return of fascistic politics throughout the west, but I can help thinking that immigration has a lot to do with it.

What's the major difference between Labor (Labour?) and Liberal Democrats, and why are working class people, especially in England, voting Tory?

Labour/LibDems - it's complicated. Simply Labour traditionally being for the working class as it was formed as the Political Party of the Unions. LibDems came out of the old centre/slightly left of centre Liberal Party and the Social Democratic Part (SDP) - the SDP being a centrist 1980s breakaway from a Labour Party at the time heading hard left..

On this - Some will tell you the whys and disconnects - others will tell you the lies and disinformation. It has been very messy - but almost certainly coming...as Labour headed way out Left again.

Immigration - let's not go there (it was all Merkel's fault in any case)

 

[oxymoron]

The candidates for leader do not look very inspiring.
They all seem entrenched within their old values, no one seems capable of uniting the party.
Ian Murray going for deputy leader is perhaps a little ray of sunshine, as the only Scots MP doubtful he will get elected

Why did you have to bring that in to the discussion ? Surely if he is a genuine candidate it matters bugger all where he represents or
if he is from Scotland .

 

[fundy]

is new different to next?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think it is an interesting list and the intial thoughts of a coronation for RLB seem a long way off the mark. Starmer is blighted by his role in the Shadow Cabinet but maybe on his own he will create a new set of policies which make us forget that. I don't know enough about Lisa Nandy but she seems to speak well so far so it will be interesting to see how she develops.

The best, at this stage, is Jess Philips. Untainted by Corbyn, speaks well, comes across as a normal person, rare in modern politics. She needs to knock off the rough edges in her performance, I think she can look a bit too finger pointy and angry at times, but that is easily manageable. I think she would be the one the Conservatives would fear the most, not for the immediate parliaments but going forwards.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Why did you have to bring that in to the discussion ? Surely if he is a genuine candidate it matters bugger all where he represents or
if he is from Scotland .

Calm down old boy, It's simply for the fact that English/Welsh MP's would, I imagine, be more likely to support a candidate from their own region/country.
Murray will receive no support from Scots MP's because there are none [well apart from himself]
Saw somewhere that he was bookies favourite for the Deputy job so perhaps we will just wait and see.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Calm down old boy, It's simply for the fact that English/Welsh MP's would, I imagine, be more likely to support a candidate from their own region/country.
Murray will receive no support from Scots MP's because there are none [well apart from himself]
Saw somewhere that he was bookies favourite for the Deputy job so perhaps we will just wait and see.

The thinking perhaps that the Scottish electorate are more likely to vote Labour if they see a Scot at the heart of Labour Party policy making? Meanwhile the rest of the country thinks that they are pretty fed up with Scots telling the English what to do

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The thinking perhaps that the Scottish electorate are more likely to vote Labour if they see a Scot at the heart of Labour Party policy making? Meanwhile the rest of the country thinks that they are pretty fed up with Scots telling the English what to do

The English don't seem to understand that this is where they are going wrong.

 

[chrisd]

I think all the candidates are brilliant choices


Should ensure a Tory government fir at least 10 years ?

 

[Dando]

I think all the candidates are brilliant choices


Should ensure a Tory government fir at least 10 years ?

I thought it was a promo for the circus when I saw the photos. ?

 

[Robster59]

I was going to say that unless Labour choose a candidate far away from the Corbyn mantra, and move to someone left of centre rather than way left then they will not stand a chance of getting elected.
However, a lot of what went wrong for Labour at the last election can be put down to Jeremy Corbyn. There may have been some good ideas in what they were proposing but the prospect of him being Prime Minister (and the people he had finished up on his shadow cabinet going on to the cabinet) was so unpalatable to many (including myself, a lifelong Labour supporter) that people chose to vote for another party. Here in Scotland it was the SNP. In England and Wales it was Conservative. When Boris Johnson is seen as the better of the two leader choices, then you know a party is in trouble.
A new leader of the labour party may have a similar ethos BUT if they present it correctly, explain it to people and make it creditable then it may work but I still think it's going to be hard if Labour stay on the same path.

 

[Tashyboy]

I don't understand the return of fascistic politics throughout the west, but I can help thinking that immigration has a lot to do with it.

What's the major difference between Labor (Labour?) and Liberal Democrats, and why are working class people, especially in England, voting Tory?

Two words ”Jeremy Corbyn”. In essence imagine a man who has terrorists as best friends, who were enemies of this country. people throughout the country could not connect with him. My mining industry was finally decimated by Margaret Thatcher. If she was on fire, my bladder would remain full. That’s the polite version. Go into mining heartlands of Yorkshire, Wales, Northeast and they would of set her on fire. Yet miners were heartbroken at having to choose between Jeremy Corbyn or the Tories. Hundreds of thousands of Labour supporters left and voted Tory.
Our last general election was A UK version of Boris Johnson v Jeremy Corbyn. Two clowns. As against a USA version of Trump V Clinton, another two clowns. It’s a shame YOB, that you never joined the forum a few months before the election. It was dynamite on here. It was generally agreed that the last lot of MPs that represented us before the election was the worst and biggest mountain of manure that this country has ever had. A lot of that manure did everything possible to stop Brexit/us leaving Europe. They paid for there misrepresentation by not being elected this time.
If the two words of Jeremy Corbyn are not enough. Heres another two. Diane Abbott. Where to start with her. She is comedy gold.
I had me knuckles rapped for saying she is rammel. It was worth it?

 

[Fade and Die]

The thinking perhaps that the Scottish electorate are more likely to vote Labour if they see a Scot at the heart of Labour Party policy making? Meanwhile the rest of the country thinks that they are pretty fed up with Scots telling the English what to do

Give it a rest Hinge and Bracket....


(Doons on the left btw)

 

[Old Skier]

Originally thought Jess Phillips would do a good job untill I heard her on BBC Breakfast, she was terrible apart from her covert attack on Long Bailey.

 

[Tashyboy]

Give it a rest Hinge and Bracket....

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(Doons on the left btw)

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I have always wondered if Doon was a him, her or they.?

kiddin doon kiddin ?

 

[SocketRocket]

I can just see it, Long-Bayley with Dawn the Nodding Donkey as Deputy or how about Barny Rubble. The Tories have the gift that just keeps on giving ?

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Two words ”Jeremy Corbyn”. In essence imagine a man who has terrorists as best friends, who were enemies of this country. people throughout the country could not connect with him. My mining industry was finally decimated by Margaret Thatcher. If she was on fire, my bladder would remain full. That’s the polite version. Go into mining heartlands of Yorkshire, Wales, Northeast and they would of set her on fire. Yet miners were heartbroken at having to choose between Jeremy Corbyn or the Tories. Hundreds of thousands of Labour supporters left and voted Tory.
Our last general election was A UK version of Boris Johnson v Jeremy Corbyn. Two clowns. As against a USA version of Trump V Clinton, another two clowns. It’s a shame YOB, that you never joined the forum a few months before the election. It was dynamite on here. It was generally agreed that the last lot of MPs that represented us before the election was the worst and biggest mountain of manure ( cow *** in the USA) that this country has ever had. A lot of that manure did everything possible to stop Brexit/us leaving Europe. They paid for there misrepresentation by not being elected this time.
If the two words of Jeremy Corbyn are not enough. Heres another two. Diane Abbott. Where to start with her. She is comedy gold.
I had me knuckles rapped for saying she is rammel. It was worth it?

Brexit, the way it looks here, is only popular in England for whatever reason. The Scots want it and the Northern Irish are once again estranged from Ireland without it. I've no opinion on something I know nothing about, however.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Brexit, the way it looks here, is only popular in England for whatever reason. The Scots want it and the Northern Irish are once again estranged from Ireland without it. I've no opinion on something I know nothing about, however.

Not popular in England and Wales it was a very close vote.
NI and Scotland voted to remain in the EU, Scotland by a 62/38% margin.
England's large population vote carried the day.