New Labour Leader

Hang on a minute I smell a rat
 

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Ye Olde Boomer said:
Again, I don't know enough about what being in the EU entails to have an opinion on your brexit.

What I do assume is that if Britain leaves the continent, it's stuck relying on a closer relationship with us.

To the extent that we're in total chaos with no relief in sight, I can't image how that would be good for you.

There are only three good things about America.

ONE: We have great food and it's relatively cheap vis a vis the rest of the world. The food, our dog, and our kids are all that I miss when we're away.
TWO: Our gasoline is cheaper than anywhere else.
THREE: we have baseball and our football instead of cricket and your football.

Other than that, Europe (and the British Isles) has it all over us. We're more socially regressive than Pre-WWII Europe.
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having spent 5 days in San Francisco, I thought Missis T was going to have to go on the game. It was massively expensive for breakfast $12 bucks for cereals ? thank god I found maple biscuits.Hmmmmmmm.
 
SocketRocket said:
I agree with much of this, however.

In your first bullet point don't you mean ' a sizable majority'

In your third bullet point you don't mention the large numbers of traditional working class labour voters who felt they couldn't vote for Corbyn as they didn't want him as Prime Minister and we're fatigued by Labours non descript stance on Brexit.

I also have to disagree with your faith in Starmer as a suitable leader. He was one of the main supporters of a second referendum which was a very unpopular policy with labour voters, he was also one of the leading labour politicians who could not explain in simple terms where his party stood with Brexit. He comes over as a typical fluffy civil servant who should be shuffling paperwork in Brussels and not someone who could drag labour back into a place where they become a force to reckon with. Although saying that I cannot see anyone else in the party having the attributes to do it either.
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On the 1st 2point - ok not a sizeable majority, but just a sufficient chunk of swing voters as to make a difference.

I'm not sure a second referendum was as unpopular as you seem to think among Labour supporters. I'd argue that going full Brexit would have been MUCH less popular among Labour supporters and they would likely have lost far more support to Lib Dems & Greens. During the election there was a majority of votes for pro-remain candidates and I can't see a scenario in which a pro Brexit Labour party would have had any chance of getting a sniff of Government, even in coalition.

Pro-remain support was divided among several parties, while the pro Brexit support was disciplined enough to stick with the Tories.
 
I don't know what politics are like over the pond, but we didn't have the eighteen year old vote yet in 1964 so my first general election was in 1968.

In 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, I voted for the Democratic candidates, up and down the ticket. For more than a few of them, I did it holding my nose but I did it. If my sainted mother returned to earth and ran for public office as a Republican--not that she ever would, of course--I would vote for her Democratic opponent.

It is simply impossible, even if a revolver were pointed at my temple, to imagine myself voting for a Republican. I swear I would rather take the bullet. From the look of some of these posts, this behavior is less prevalent in the UK. People actually act as though they have a choice to make.

My choice comes in the Democratic primaries when we registered members of the Democratic Party nominate our candidates. In the general election, I have no choice to make. I vote for my party's nominee even if I can't stomach him or her. It's rarely the person for whom I voted in the Democratic primary anyway.

At the bottom of it all, I don't vote for people. I'm not a people person. I like dogs. I vote for policy positions on the issues and general ideology. Republican ideology is and always has been repugnant to me.

But from what I'm reading here, it seems that you folks are a lot less reliable on the matter. Labor folks voted Tory because they didn't like Corbyn. I would have voted for him holding my nose if I disliked him that much, but I wouldn't consider voting Tory. Here, of course, I'm equating Labor with Democrats and Tories with Republicans. I'm sure that it's not that simple.
 
There are 59 Scottish seats and the SNP have 48 of them, they were largely won at the expense of Scottish Labour.

This has contributed hugely to the inability of Labour to get close to the Tories.

So it matters not who the next leader is, they (using the word of the decade there) have to win back seats north of the border, and I don’t see that happening any time soon
 
Thinking about this should labour look to elect another Corbynite? Maybe its better for them to be a proper Left party and for Tories to be proper Right, the idea of choosing between a centre left and right means there is little difference between them so it matters not which are elected. There could of course be a centerist party like the LibDems to balance things up.
 
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Beezerk said:
Some Labour clown (not sure if he's in the leadership race) saying we should have a referendum on the Royal Family ???.
Where do they get these loons from.
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As a Labour "clown" he presents no concern at all... Unlike the Tory clowns, supposedly in charge of running the country, who present a danger on a daily basis...
 
Beezerk said:
Some Labour clown (not sure if he's in the leadership race) saying we should have a referendum on the Royal Family ???.
Where do they get these loons from.
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He can't get enough MPs to back him, they need 22, so I'm guessing this was his last attempt to gain favour and some publicity. Muppet.
 
Ye Olde Boomer said:
I don't know what politics are like over the pond, but we didn't have the eighteen year old vote yet in 1964 so my first general election was in 1968.

In 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, I voted for the Democratic candidates, up and down the ticket. For more than a few of them, I did it holding my nose but I did it. If my sainted mother returned to earth and ran for public office as a Republican--not that she ever would, of course--I would vote for her Democratic opponent.

It is simply impossible, even if a revolver were pointed at my temple, to imagine myself voting for a Republican. I swear I would rather take the bullet. From the look of some of these posts, this behavior is less prevalent in the UK. People actually act as though they have a choice to make.

My choice comes in the Democratic primaries when we registered members of the Democratic Party nominate our candidates. In the general election, I have no choice to make. I vote for my party's nominee even if I can't stomach him or her. It's rarely the person for whom I voted in the Democratic primary anyway.

At the bottom of it all, I don't vote for people. I'm not a people person. I like dogs. I vote for policy positions on the issues and general ideology. Republican ideology is and always has been repugnant to me.

But from what I'm reading here, it seems that you folks are a lot less reliable on the matter. Labor folks voted Tory because they didn't like Corbyn. I would have voted for him holding my nose if I disliked him that much, but I wouldn't consider voting Tory. Here, of course, I'm equating Labor with Democrats and Tories with Republicans. I'm sure that it's not that simple.
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I'm with you on that my friend as are many others. However we have many other voters who vote for personal gain..... on one very troubled occasion we've even had working class turn to Black-leg, Scab & strike-break to add their support to a cruel far-right Tory Leader, who's callous impact is still affecting our Nation, 30 years on. So I well understand how difficult you must find our politics especially through a grossly politically, unbalance Forum, as this. In England the vast majority of golf Club members support Tory, right leaning views.
 
2blue said:
In England, the vast majority of golf club members support Tory, right leaning views.
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The very same holds true with golf and the Republican Party in America. I suppose the game wasn't designed for the Proletariat! My club is not member owned. It's been for some time one of several enterprises owned to launder money from "other sources" by a "legitimate businessman." It thus has enough working class members who didn't have to worry about huge initial equity payments and don't have to worry about surprise assessments. The terribly posh in the area have several other places to go that are quite nearby. But WE have the Donald Ross course built in 1906!
 
MegaSteve said:
As a Labour "clown" he presents no concern at all... Unlike the Tory clowns, supposedly in charge of running the country, who present a danger on a daily basis...
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Better Clowns IMO
2blue said:
I'm with you on that my friend as are many others. However we have many other voters who vote for personal gain..... on one very troubled occasion we've even had working class turn to Black-leg, Scab & strike-break to add their support to a cruel far-right Tory Leader, who's callous impact is still affecting our Nation, 30 years on. So I well understand how difficult you must find our politics especially through a grossly politically, unbalance Forum, as this. In England the vast majority of golf Club members support Tory, right leaning views.
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Its only a golf forum so just some people with time on their hands having a discussion, nothing more. I cant see how most of them support Tory right leaning views but you are entitled to that view of course.
 
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