Natural talent Vs Unlimited resources

[Screwback]

To me you have to have talent it is the biggest factor in being a good golfer i dont disagree you can manufactuer a decent golf swing but to be good you need to have raw talent the ability to score on agolf course whether you are playing well or not.

As for being a club pro now (not being offensive) but turning pro off a handicap of lets say 4 is not exactly stunning golf is it? however there is a living to be earned through shop keeping and lessons but there is some very good club pros out there that have proved they are good on the mini tours and IMO should not be put in the same catergory as cat 1 handicappers that have fancied a go at being a pro.

 

[golfchat1]

true but as I mentioned look at Monty he was playing off 6 at 18yrs doesn't seem talented then?

But through had work he won 5 order of merits and has the 3rd best points total ever for Europe.

 

[Screwback]

Was he off 6 though not disputing the fact but the guy won socttish youth championships and you have to be off about +1 to get into them now....

 

[golfchat1]

I agree I was surprised aswell but I saw him being interviewed last night on Sky sports on Monty memories.

He said his first Ryder cup experience was in 1981 as a spectator with his brother at that time he played off 6 and was 18 yrs old he never turned Pro for another 6 years.

I know he was a good amateur because I knew his Walker cup partner Graham Shaw he was the rep for Proquip.and played at Haggs castle GC who play in the same league as us.

 

[Screwback]

Learn something new everyday..

I do think his natural ability has got him where he is today.

 

[CrapHacker]

Talent is nice. Faldo couldn't have succeeded without it.

Monty couldn't have.

But then you get hold of an 18 year old who has lived in bed all their life ( I dunno, some kind of curable injury, I suppose ) and then try and get them to walk. It's not natural, and whilst most people will be able to walk with a limp, most wont make it to become international runners.

However.

take a three year old kid, and train it every day of it's life so it expects to be the world's best runner, and give it every single tool it will ever need, be it physical or mental, and you've got a blimmin good chance that that youngster will become a very good runner. It might not be the best in the world, but it'll be right up there.

playing golf is an unnatural act. But make it so that it becomes natural, and then it's all down to mental strength, expectation, and all that.

Tiger had no concept of failure when he was growing up, trusted his swing, and knew he was going to be the world number one. ( This might have something to do with his 'entitled' stuff he was going on about earlier this year. ) His swing is good, but the original swing worked better for him than the more recent changes because he had total trust in it. Similarly with his self belief. He's struggled this year because he doubts himself.

Look at Poulter. What was his handicap when he turned pro? He didn't improve enough until he dedicated himself to hitting enough balls - he couldn't do that with a day job, so he had teh mental strength to quit and work on his game.

It's all down to effort and mental strength.

I know a guy who went over to the States as a teenager. He says he was +2 at the time. I have no reason to doubt him. He suffered an injury, and so never got to see how good he could become. But I'll tell you something, he might well have made it to being a pro. He might well have earned millions. But he's never have been a top pro because he doesn't have the mental strength.

I'm the same - I have talents ( not at golf ) but I know I'm not driven enough to become a millionaire through my work.

It's not talent. It's making the most of your talent.

 

[JustOne]

I figure it as follows:
You need a little bit of talent, a lot of desire and HUGE resources.

You can have all the talent and all the desire but without the money you're not going to make it... there are always exceptions to the rule, but not many.

With a stack of money available you can make practically make it through desire alone, the skills can be taught/learnt if you have the passion.

 

[percy_layer]

I figure it as follows:
You need a little bit of talent, a lot of desire and HUGE resources.

You can have all the talent and all the desire but without the money you're not going to make it... there are always exceptions to the rule, but not many.

With a stack of money available you can make practically make it through desire alone, the skills can be taught/learnt if you have the passion.

I agree, and you need luck too

 

[MashieNiblick]

I figure it as follows:
You need a little bit of talent, a lot of desire and HUGE resources.

You can have all the talent and all the desire but without the money you're not going to make it... there are always exceptions to the rule, but not many.

With a stack of money available you can make practically make it through desire alone, the skills can be taught/learnt if you have the passion.

Ok here's my team of guys from modest beginnings - The Exceptions.

Player
Trevino
Jacklin
Seve
Faldo
Woosie
Jiminez
Westwood
McIlroy

Can't think of many players who've achieved what this lot have, just through having the resources.

Talent won't get far without hard work.
Hard work won't get far without talent.
Lack of resources I think can be overcome if you have enough of the other two.

To make any kind of living on the Tour, let alone become a big name winner, you need both heaps of talent and hard work. How much of each depends on the player. Many have made a lot of less talent, a few have won without trying too hard and many haven't made enough of their gifts but talent plus dedication rarely fails to succeed.

US college golf scholarships have meant that significant resources have been more available to those without tons of support in their early years and in future that might skew the picture. You still need talent to get on one of those though.

 

[USER1999]

What you need more than anything is belief. Poulter has this. I don't. Someone could sponsor me to the tune of millions, I will never make it. Talent? Maybe, but if I don't have the mental fortitude to make it work, then no, no amount of money will help.

In footy, think David Bentley and Germaine Pennant. All the talent in the world, sod all application.

 

[golfchat1]

I don't think it is the money as much as getting the opportunity to play golf everyday hitting thousands of balls a day at the range and 3 to 4 hours on the practice green and after that a few holes doing that 5 to 6 days a week.

And having a good teacher to guide you, but yes that is useless if you don't have it upstairs the mental game plays a very big role something I lack.

 

[JustOne]

I don't think it is the money as much as getting the opportunity to play golf everyday hitting thousands of balls a day at the range and 3 to 4 hours on the practice green and after that a few holes doing that 5 to 6 days a week. And having a good teacher to guide you,....

Eh?

 

[golfchat1]

Eh what?

 

[JustOne]

I don't get which part of your post isn't about having the money... unless you know somewhere that provides all that for free?

 

[golfchat1]

Sorry, yes I agree there had to be some form of cash for eating and sleeping but not as much a previous posts suggest.

Remember most of these guys know there good and define ther game between the years of 16 to 21 when they don't have any responsibility no mortgages or kids to feed.

I know when Scott jamieson was an amateur the SGU paid for all his coaching and when he was sent to the Czech republic to play the european amateur the SGU paid all the expenses titleist sent him 4 dozen balls a month and a couple of gloves and adidas gave him a couple of pairs of shoes on top of that they would order their hardware through SGU who would get a good discount of most suppliers.

 

[Ronnoc1980]

Maybe someone else on here can remember reading a write up on a chap who started the game of golf with a HC of 18+ and set his sights on getting down to scratch. I can't recall if it was this mag or when I used to subscribe to the dark side (Today's Golfer)!!

Any way long storey short he did it in a year with lots of coaching and practice from 18+ to scratch having been a non golfer.

 

[Screwback]

Maybe someone else on here can remember reading a write up on a chap who started the game of golf with a HC of 18+ and set his sights on getting down to scratch. I can't recall if it was this mag or when I used to subscribe to the dark side (Today's Golfer)!!

Any way long storey short he did it in a year with lots of coaching and practice from 18+ to scratch having been a non golfer.

18 handicap to scratch in one year??? Really??? Really???

 

[CrapHacker]

Maybe someone else on here can remember reading a write up on a chap who started the game of golf with a HC of 18+ and set his sights on getting down to scratch. I can't recall if it was this mag or when I used to subscribe to the dark side (Today's Golfer)!!

Any way long storey short he did it in a year with lots of coaching and practice from 18+ to scratch having been a non golfer.

18 handicap to scratch in one year??? Really??? Really???

Yeah, I'll do it, next year, simples.





Or maybe the year after.

 

[Ronnoc1980]

Maybe someone else on here can remember reading a write up on a chap who started the game of golf with a HC of 18+ and set his sights on getting down to scratch. I can't recall if it was this mag or when I used to subscribe to the dark side (Today's Golfer)!!

Any way long storey short he did it in a year with lots of coaching and practice from 18+ to scratch having been a non golfer.

18 handicap to scratch in one year??? Really??? Really???

Yeah, I'll do it, next year, simples.





Or maybe the year after.

Oh ok you got me I post on a Sunday nothing but lie's !!!

Really chaps do you think I would make it up

 

[percy_layer]

Maybe someone else on here can remember reading a write up on a chap who started the game of golf with a HC of 18+ and set his sights on getting down to scratch. I can't recall if it was this mag or when I used to subscribe to the dark side (Today's Golfer)!!

Any way long storey short he did it in a year with lots of coaching and practice from 18+ to scratch having been a non golfer.

18 handicap to scratch in one year??? Really??? Really???

Yeah, I'll do it, next year, simples.





Or maybe the year after.

Oh ok you got me I post on a Sunday nothing but lie's !!!

Really chaps do you think I would make it up

Was that John Lynch that got from 18 h'cap to scratch in one year. Also the story of John Richardson who was apparently unable to break 100 and set himself a target of being able to break Par in one year and did it one the last day, he wrote the book 'Dream on'.