National Anthems

[IanM]

I'm from Scotland, but don't consider myself a Scot.

You should. Most of the most famous and proud Scots never set foot in the place

 

[IanMcC]

Birkie, a sharp-tongued, quick-tempered person (usually a woman). Sometimes used facetiously to a lively child. [Prob. connected with Birk, v.1, to give a tart answer.]

 

[rudebhoy]

I'm from Scotland, but don't consider myself a Scot.

Why don’t you think of yourself as Scottish? If the answer is because you think of yourself as British, plenty do both, they are not mutually exclusive.

 

[KenL]

I'm from Scotland but my nationality is British.

 

[Voyager EMH]

I had two grandparents from Aberdeen and two from South Wales valleys.
I was born in England and have lived in England for all my life except for one year in Swansea.

I am British.
I'm happy to accept being English, but feel I have to acknowledge my family history of being not English.
As a child I grew up with occasionally Welsh and Scottish words and phrases being spoken in the home and different sports teams being supported.

I would feel a bit of a fraud to declare myself as either Welsh or Scottish. I have never been fully absorbed in those cultures.
But it most certainly irks me when I encounter anti-Welsh or anti-Scottish sentiments being expressed.

"Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau" is by far my favourite anthem.

 

[KenL]

Live in Scotland and you'll experience plenty anti-English sentiment.

 

[srixon 1]

How about this played over the PA system whilst the England football team are playing. It might make them move quicker.

 

[Hobbit]

Dad English, mum Irish, born in England. Not lived in Northern Ireland but lived in the others + now in Spain. I think I’m Spanglish. If I’m watching rugby I support Ireland, but if I’m watching football I support England closely followed by Spain.

If there has to be a national anthem for England, I’d go for Jerusalem but I’m not fussed on jingoistic rubbish.

 

[Don Barzini]

The bit about crushing rebellious Scots is not too popular north of the border.

That’ll be the line from an extra verse which was penned in 1745 and has never, at least in living memory, been sung by anyone anywhere at any form of official event? I doubt many English people even know of its existence, much less be able to sing that verse.

Meanwhile, Scottish people get excited when they sing an entire song about defeating England in a battle over 700 years ago and English people don’t particularly give a toss, as far as I know.

 

[KenL]

That’ll be the line from an extra verse which was penned in 1745 and has never, at least in living memory, been sung by anyone anywhere at any form of official event? I doubt many English people even know of its existence, much less be able to sing that verse.

Meanwhile, Scottish people get excited when they sing an entire song about defeating England in a battle over 700 years ago and English people don’t particularly give a toss, as far as I know.

Nail on head, well said.

 

[rudebhoy]

That’ll be the line from an extra verse which was penned in 1745 and has never, at least in living memory, been sung by anyone anywhere at any form of official event? I doubt many English people even know of its existence, much less be able to sing that verse.

Meanwhile, Scottish people get excited when they sing an entire song about defeating England in a battle over 700 years ago and English people don’t particularly give a toss, as far as I know.

The difference being that GSTK is the national anthem of the United Kingdom, not just England. Would the English be happy with an anthem which had a line it in about crushing them?

 

[Don Barzini]

The difference being that GSTK is the national anthem of the United Kingdom, not just England. Would the English be happy with an anthem which had a line it in about crushing them?

If it was part of an extra verse added around 300 years ago, if most people didn't know of its existence in any great detail, if most people couldn't sing the verse in which it was contained because they didn't know the lyrics and if it was never and had never been used in any form of official event, then I don't think many would give a stuff in all honesty.

Scottish people, when trotting out this matter, just use it as one of many reasons to excuse their dislike of the English. Scots wouldn't suddenly be happy with GSTK as their anthem if that line was removed.

 

[rudebhoy]

If it was part of an extra verse added around 300 years ago, if most people didn't know of its existence in any great detail, if most people couldn't sing the verse in which it was contained because they didn't know the lyrics and if it was never and had never been used in any form of official event, then I don't think many would give a stuff in all honesty.

If that was the case, don't you think the english media would have a field day with it (as the scottish media have), and it would then become relatively common knowledge?

Scottish people just use this as one of their many reasons to excuse their dislike of the English. Scots wouldn't suddenly be happy with GSTK as their anthem if that line was removed.

Wanting the England football team to lose is not the same as "disliking the English". Do you dislike Scousers/Geordies/Brummies because you want their football team to lose?

Most Scots I know get on fine with most English people. I've lived in England for 30-odd years, most of my friends are English, I've met some I don't like, but I've also met many Scottish folk who I didn't like either.

A lot of Scots don't like the English media / establishment, that is very different from not liking "the English".

(A lot of Scots don't like the Scottish media / establishment either.)

 

[Don Barzini]

If that was the case, don't you think the english media would have a field day with it (as the scottish media have), and it would then become relatively common knowledge?

Not really. I just don't think anti-Scottish feeling runs as high in England as anti-English feeling runs in Scotland.

Most Scots I know get on fine with most English people. I've lived in England for 30-odd years, most of my friends are English, I've met some I don't like, but I've also met many Scottish folk who I didn't like either.

A lot of Scots don't like the English media / establishment, that is very different from not liking "the English".

I happen to think that the way (some) Scottish people manifest their dislike of English sports teams/media/establishment is a symptom of something much deeper, that perhaps a lot of them wouldn't admit to. But I don't want to get off topic, I'll just take your word for it.