My Swing Speed Journey

The reason I'm asking - just out of curiosity really, but I'm currently trying (unsuccessfully) to shorten my backswing a little, but if at the same time I was using speed sticks and swinging wildly, I feel like that would undermine my efforts to shorten my golf swing. And I feel like it would be wiser to try and use that shortened swing with the speed sticks as well.
My son has a bit of a over swing and the pro he’s going to says not to try and shorten the swing but slow the back swing down and that will shorten the swing without trying to shorten it. When I’m thrashing myself at the ball it’s only on the downswing for me I like to feel as if my back swing is mega slow if I go fast my hand end up stuck behind me and it causes all sorts of problems
 
My son has a bit of a over swing and the pro he’s going to says not to try and shorten the swing but slow the back swing down and that will shorten the swing without trying to shorten it. When I’m thrashing myself at the ball it’s only on the downswing for me I like to feel as if my back swing is mega slow if I go fast my hand end up stuck behind me and it causes all sorts of problems
That seems to be where I've arrived at, yes. I need my backswing to be slower than it is, but my downswing to be faster than it is. 😁
 
When you guys are swinging these speed stick things, do you use something akin to your actual golf swing? Or do you just wildly thrash them about?
I'm setting up and trying to keep some semblance of a golf swing but it's not a swing to hit a ball with 🤣
 
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That seems to be where I've arrived at, yes. I need my backswing to be slower than it is, but my downswing to be faster than it is.
It doesn't look especially fast. Pros like to say things like low and slow but it's all relative and they swing the club back a lot quicker than we do in general. I've been working on quickening up my back swing as it was very slow. Even when I think I've gone very quick, it's still slow in comparison
 
The reason I'm asking - just out of curiosity really, but I'm currently trying (unsuccessfully) to shorten my backswing a little, but if at the same time I was using speed sticks and swinging wildly, I feel like that would undermine my efforts to shorten my golf swing. And I feel like it would be wiser to try and use that shortened swing with the speed sticks as well.
Just so you know, I do whatever I need to make the speed stick as fast as possible, a bit different from normal golf swing. It somehow has shorten my normal backswing on the course, and I was one of those guys that used to have overswing and couldn't swing other way without hurting my scores. Now I dont break paralel with the driver and I am not thinking about it.
 
This weeks starting driver speeds 99/100/101 and after routine 105/107/106 still convinced they foam balls lose a bit of speed. I got a new personal best with the blue and red sticks this week but foam ball best was only 107 and last year with slightly slower speed sticks I hit 110mph.
This is a slow process 4 weeks in and I am always around 100 mph at the start, I can crank it up after routine but I am not getting faster before the routine. Anyone else have this problem?
 
This weeks starting driver speeds 99/100/101 and after routine 105/107/106 still convinced they foam balls lose a bit of speed. I got a new personal best with the blue and red sticks this week but foam ball best was only 107 and last year with slightly slower speed sticks I hit 110mph.
This is a slow process 4 weeks in and I am always around 100 mph at the start, I can crank it up after routine but I am not getting faster before the routine. Anyone else have this problem?
That is not a problem, it is normal.

I suppose that when you increase more your maximun speed you will notice also an increase in the starting driver speeds at some point. Also I had my biggest speed increases when I rested for a week or so... thats when everything settles and whenever you do that you may experience that you also faster before the routine.

Good luck:)
 
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This weeks starting driver speeds 99/100/101 and after routine 105/107/106 still convinced they foam balls lose a bit of speed. I got a new personal best with the blue and red sticks this week but foam ball best was only 107 and last year with slightly slower speed sticks I hit 110mph.
This is a slow process 4 weeks in and I am always around 100 mph at the start, I can crank it up after routine but I am not getting faster before the routine. Anyone else have this problem?
Have you had any speed gain yet? The first time I did them I noticed a pretty decent jump in my first 6 weeks, probably around 6mph. Now I usually do the sticks for a few months at the start of the season, I usually start about 5mph down from the year before but after 16 sessions of so I've got that speed back.

I was on Trackman on Friday night and at the end I hit a few drivers just to get a number for my driver speed. This was after doing a lot of wedge distance control and one of the games that gave a yardage between 50-150 and you had to try and hit it so no speed work. My normal swing was around 103mph, when going after it and still being able to hit the ball I had it up at 107mph. I'm hoping for the start of the season I can move my normal swing up to 106mph and going after it at 110mph.
 
Been raining every lunchtime so far this week so no speed sticks. I was back on Trackman last night, think I might start taking my sticks with me when I book it out so I can do them then. Was experimenting with tee height and ball position last night to try and work on my angle of attack (get it more positive) and controlling the spin number. Also need to buy some Titleist RCT balls to make sure Trackman is giving me proper spin numbers.
 
I’ve noticed my practice swing with driver is 4/5mph faster than when hitting the ball. Anyone tried testing the speed on practice swings
 
I have a question for those with speed sticks. I understand that they're weighted and I understand the sort of principle, but if you're not doing a proper golf swing and instead just swinging like a loony, could you not see improvement just by swinging your driver around in the garden? Does the weight make that much difference?

And is the crazy swinging with something that's not a club, and not hitting a ball, at a risk of just messing up your swing?

I understand that I sound sceptical, I'm not at all, I'm genuinely interested in your feelings but it's hard to put that across in text :)
 
I have a question for those with speed sticks. I understand that they're weighted and I understand the sort of principle, but if you're not doing a proper golf swing and instead just swinging like a loony, could you not see improvement just by swinging your driver around in the garden? Does the weight make that much difference?

And is the crazy swinging with something that's not a club, and not hitting a ball, at a risk of just messing up your swing?

I understand that I sound sceptical, I'm not at all, I'm genuinely interested in your feelings but it's hard to put that across in text :)
I think there are a lot of variables here.

You could just swing your driver as fast as possible and make gains yes. It's like a runner training to get faster, you can just try and run fast and you will gain speed, but you can also run downhill which forces you to run faster than normal (or fall over) and so your body gets used to running at that speed and then you are able to access it when running on the flat. Same with speed sticks, assuming your limitation is neural rather than strength/mobility you can swing the lighter stick faster so your body can get used to moving at that speed, and then get some carryover with a normal club.

Regards to messing up your swing, I think it depends. Sometimes having to go fast will get you to produce a more natural athletic motion. Sometimes in order to go fast you have to get technically better, that is better technique produces better speed. I also don't think speed is so strongly correlated to accuracy as some think - to swing fast you generally need somewhat decent technique, and like riding a bike speed actually provides some stability to the motion - the club staying on a nice arc and plane being equivalent to how straight and stable a bike goes - it's less wobbly when you have some speed. The only thing about speed is that any error will be magnified 1 degree off at 150 yards might still be on the fairway but at 300 it could be OOB.
Of course there are some people that when attempting to go fast make such a horrible thrashing motion that works with a radar but not when you need to hit a ball, in this case technique will suffer.

That's a long way of saying it varies, and whilst it won't work for everyone it should work for most.
 
I’ve noticed my practice swing with driver is 4/5mph faster than when hitting the ball. Anyone tried testing the speed on practice swings
Yes. Same here. 4mph difference with same effort. PRGR radar.
Isn't that because you are hitting a ball though? I'd have thought that the club slows down at the point of impact. I know Trackman and GC Quad give different clubhead speed readings as they measure at slightly different points.
 
I have a question for those with speed sticks. I understand that they're weighted and I understand the sort of principle, but if you're not doing a proper golf swing and instead just swinging like a loony, could you not see improvement just by swinging your driver around in the garden? Does the weight make that much difference?

And is the crazy swinging with something that's not a club, and not hitting a ball, at a risk of just messing up your swing?

I understand that I sound sceptical, I'm not at all, I'm genuinely interested in your feelings but it's hard to put that across in text :)
There is some science behind it and it's like @Golf is fun said it's like when sprinters train pulling or pushing a sled or when they run downhill to make the body move faster. All I know it that it definitely works, it might be my body moving faster, it might be it increases my range of motion, it might be better technique or all 3 of them. If you've never done speed training before I'm betting if you swung your driver then did a session of speed sticks then driver again after you would likely be at least 5mph faster.

The only thing I have to watch out for is when trying to get my fastest speeds possible I had a habit of cupping my wrists to get extra leverage but if I do that on the course it's slicing off the planet. I now try and have the same flat wrist feeling in my speed swings as I do with my driver. I've also changed my grip with the speed swings to interlock to match my driver as I used to do them baseball grip style as I could get an extra couple of miles per hour that way.
 
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There is some science behind it and it's like @Golf is fun said it's like when sprinters train pulling or pushing a sled or when they run downhill to make the body move faster. All I know it that it definitely works, it might be my body moving faster, it might be it increases my range of motion, it might be better technique or all 3 of them. If you've never done speed training before I'm betting if you swung your driver then did a session of speed sticks then driver again after you would likely be at least 5mph faster.

The only thing I have to watch out for is when trying to get my fastest speeds possible I had a habit of cupping my wrists to get extra leverage but if I do that on the course it's slicing off the planet. I now try and have the same flat wrist feeling in my speed swings as I do with my driver. I've also changed my grip with the speed swings to interlock to match my driver as I used to do them baseball grip style as I could get an extra couple of miles per hour that way.
I do the cupped wrist as well when trying to get after it. Great if you manage to get the wrist back in position in time, but if you don't, fore right!
 
I have a question for those with speed sticks. I understand that they're weighted and I understand the sort of principle, but if you're not doing a proper golf swing and instead just swinging like a loony, could you not see improvement just by swinging your driver around in the garden? Does the weight make that much difference?

And is the crazy swinging with something that's not a club, and not hitting a ball, at a risk of just messing up your swing?

I understand that I sound sceptical, I'm not at all, I'm genuinely interested in your feelings but it's hard to put that across in text :)
Surely it's a similar concept to resistance training? If you get used to swinging something that's heavier than your golf club, then you go back to your club it will feel lighter than before, so you'll be swinging it faster naturally.
 
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Surely it's a similar concept to resistance training? If you get used to swinging something that's heavier than your golf club, then you go back to your club it will feel lighter than before, so you'll be swinging it faster naturally.
Yes that was my limited understanding and just wanted to check :)
 
Surely it's a similar concept to resistance training? If you get used to swinging something that's heavier than your golf club, then you go back to your club it will feel lighter than before, so you'll be swinging it faster naturally.
There is also a club that is lighter than your driver which helps your body get used to swinging faster. In the Super Speed system the green is lighter, blue around the same and red is heavier.
 
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