My first medal (boring thread alert)

[virtuocity]

Without wishing to sound negative, just because you couldn't escape from a bunker that isn't a reason to NR. Even if you take three to get out or drop under penalty, you need to plough on and record a score. I have found that if you start to NR it can become a habit and as its your first medal I would have thought you'd have wanted get a score in. So what if you come last? I'm surprised with your bad start, that you didn't get 0.1 back

I agree with all of the above.

What if it wasn't 3 strokes though? What if it was 5 or 6? What if things were getting more than awkward? What if with every thrash a pain reverberated up an already injured shoulder?

I've never had a bunker lesson- it's on my "to do" list over the next week (I have already pre-paid for this).

Who cares if I finish last? Not me- honestly, I couldn't give a toss Homer.

All I cared about was gaining some competitive experience and I don't regret NRing for a second.

 

[Val]

I agree with all of the above.

What if it wasn't 3 strokes though? What if it was 5 or 6? What if things were getting more than awkward? What if with every thrash a pain reverberated up an already injured shoulder?

I've never had a bunker lesson- it's on my "to do" list over the next week (I have already pre-paid for this).

Who cares if I finish last? Not me- honestly, I couldn't give a toss Homer.

All I cared about was gaining some competitive experience and I don't regret NRing for a second.

Well said mate, its about enjoying it and getting better.

 

[louise_a]

its never boring posting a "first" thread

 

[Five&One]

So, to take this to the extreme. I can have 18 alternate pars and NR's on my card (so 9 of each) and, depending on the SI of the holes par'd and NR'd, first of all the committee accept that as a valid card for handicap and secondly I could get a cut and possibly a substantial cut ?

 

[ger147]

So, to take this to the extreme. I can have 18 alternate pars and NR's on my card (so 9 of each) and, depending on the SI of the holes par'd and NR'd, first of all the committee accept that as a valid card for handicap and secondly I could get a cut and possibly a substantial cut ?

With a handicap of 26 and 9 NR's, you would need to be getting holes in 1 or eagles on the other 9 holes to get a cut. 9 pars and 9 NR's wouldn't do it.

 

[Val]

So, to take this to the extreme. I can have 18 alternate pars and NR's on my card (so 9 of each) and, depending on the SI of the holes par'd and NR'd, first of all the committee accept that as a valid card for handicap and secondly I could get a cut and possibly a substantial cut ?

Absolutely, if you submitt a card it will be taken for handicap purposes regardless of the scores, you can have 9 pars and 9 10's which is effectively the same as a NR and they'll be converted to net DB anyway.

You are unlikely to get cut with 9 net DB's anyway, at best on a shot a hole you'll be 27 over par with 9 net DB's and 9 pars

 

[brendy]

Doing the 9 pars and 9 dings method would get you buffer, no better. That said, I have yet to find a 28 handicapper who can do that

 

[chris661]

Doing the 9 pars and 9 dings method would get you buffer, no better. That said, I have yet to find a 28 handicapper who can do that

Maybe but I have seen players with a handicap of half that almost manage it!

 

[Five&One]

Absolutely, if you submitt a card it will be taken for handicap purposes regardless of the scores, you can have 9 pars and 9 10's which is effectively the same as a NR and they'll be converted to net DB anyway.

You are unlikely to get cut with 9 net DB's anyway, at best on a shot a hole you'll be 27 over par with 9 net DB's and 9 pars

Yes your right. Daft question really. The bottom line is you can NR 3,4 5 holes and the card will still be accepted and calculated whether it mathematically adds up to a cut, a buffer or a 0.1 ?

If that is the case, back to Virtuosity, there is no sense in him thrashing away out of the bunker PROVIDING he has already NR'd himself earlier in the round for the purpose of the competition because all he has to play for now is cut, buffer or 0.1. Assuming he gets to double bogey net or beyond, there is nothing he can lose by picking up and nothing he can gain by playing on.

However if he hasn't yet NR'd a hole he should keep playing until he holes it because that keeps him in the competition and he could recover lost shots later in the round, whereas one NR knocks him out of the competition.

 

[Val]

Yes your right. Daft question really. The bottom line is you can NR 3,4 5 holes and the card will still be accepted and calculated whether it mathematically adds up to a cut, a buffer or a 0.1 ?

If that is the case, back to Virtuosity, there is no sense in him thrashing away out of the bunker PROVIDING he has already NR'd himself for the purpose of the competition because all he has to play for now is cut, buffer or 0.1. Assuming he gets to double bogey net or beyond, there is nothing he can lose by picking up and nothing he can gain by playing on.

Nothing to lose other than no submitted gross score, you really shouldn't NR for having a bad hole and IMO it's bad practice.

 

[Five&One]

Nothing to lose other than no submitted gross score, you really shouldn't NR for having a bad hole and IMO it's bad practice.

If he has already NR'd he won't be submitting a gross anyway. So after the first NR he has nothing further to lose by NRing.

What circumstances would you NR other than a 'bad hole' ? I agree that is is bad practice to pick up simply because you have had a shot too many. In fact it's the very definition of 'good practice' to finish the hole.

 

[Bomber69]

Nothing to lose other than no submitted gross score, you really shouldn't NR for having a bad hole and IMO it's bad practice.

Spot on Val....

Remember a nett double can be a 6 for some but an 8 for others depending on the stroke index

 

[Val]

If he has already NR'd he won't be submitting a gross anyway. So after the first NR he has nothing further to lose by NRing.

What circumstances would you NR other than a 'bad hole' ? I agree that is is bad practice to pick up simply because you have had a shot too many. In fact it's the very definition of 'good practice' to finish the hole.

The only reason you should NR a hole is if you can't find your ball and there are folk on the tee AND you have no score going.

 

[stevie_r]

The only reason you should NR a hole is if you can't find your ball and there are folk on the tee AND you have no score going.

I resemble that remark

 

[Five&One]

The only reason you should NR a hole is if you can't find your ball and there are folk on the tee AND you have no score going.

So, I am out of the medal because of a previous NR. I have put my blind drive into the woods. It looks safe from the tee so I don't play a provisional and when I get there I can't find it. You want me to take a rounded 7 in those circumstances rather than walk back to the tee, delaying the group behind and playing 3 off the tee and maybe making the 5 or 6 that keeps me in buffer.

And at the same time you want a guy who has NR'd already to keep going till he holes out even though there is no consequence or advantage or disadvantage in picking up ?

Sorry but If I am close to buffer or a cut, I am walking back to the tee in those circumstances and you'll need to play through or wait if you are behind me, whichever of those two suits the situation best. In a game that takes getting on for 4 hours,another 5 minutes isn't going to make any difference to you.

Similarly, if I have NR'd already and I've had 7 shots and shanked the 8th into the bunker I just came out of, then for the sake of psychological closure and to recompose, I might want to pick it up and stand in a quiet corner having a word with myself whilst my playing partners finish the hole.

 

[brendy]

If things are that bad, I would certainly pick up if I had already NRd a hole previously.
Call it what you want, a sanity protector or helping keep the speed of play acceptable.

 

[Whee]

The monthly medal at my place isn't the Masters. If i've bottled it, and I want to pick up, i'll do so. No point shattering your confidence, and any momentum you may have previously had by chunking one in and out of the rubbish on your way towards the green.

That said, I played to within 1 shot of my handicap with a quadruple, and two treble bogeys on my card this weekend. So bad holes don't necessarily mean you can't recover.

 

[JustOne]

Well done on your first medal Virtuocity - they DO get easier on the nerves the more you play :thup:

 

[virtuocity]

Thanks James.

 

[Val]

So, I am out of the medal because of a previous NR. I have put my blind drive into the woods. It looks safe from the tee so I don't play a provisional and when I get there I can't find it. You want me to take a rounded 7 in those circumstances rather than walk back to the tee, delaying the group behind and playing 3 off the tee and maybe making the 5 or 6 that keeps me in buffer.

If you have already NR'd AND have no chance of a cut or buffer then there is no point in going back. If you can make buffer then go back, I would.

And at the same time you want a guy who has NR'd already to keep going till he holes out even though there is no consequence or advantage or disadvantage in picking up ?

It's good etiquette, if you are not going to play the game as it's meant you'd be better walking in after your NR.

Sorry but If I am close to buffer or a cut, I am walking back to the tee in those circumstances and you'll need to play through or wait if you are behind me, whichever of those two suits the situation best. In a game that takes getting on for 4 hours,another 5 minutes isn't going to make any difference to you.

Thats what I'd expect you to do if you were in my group. I've never suggested other wise.

Similarly, if I have NR'd already and I've had 7 shots and shanked the 8th into the bunker I just came out of, then for the sake of psychological closure and to recompose, I might want to pick it up and stand in a quiet corner having a word with myself whilst my playing partners finish the hole.

Absolutely, why not. You've reached the shot limit anyway BUT depending on the medal you may want to post a score too, I recently had a 73 which will have me potentially qualify for the HC club championship if I can shoot a 71 or better with it, the 73 had a 9 on my card on our 12th hole, had I picked up I have no score to post so it does depend.