Beezerk
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Whatever the outcome it sounds like bad crack/planning from the start.
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North Mimms
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Depends if the first group took 5 hours because they let another group through on each and every hole?
tee times delayed but when you start you could do it in the normal time -post#3 - once the 'caravan' at the front had gone.
However, there are so many variables That I think that 'darn pesky kid' Bob is just 'funnin' with us
Foxholer
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Your logic is flawed!
Khamelion
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How so?
bladeplayer
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That could be possible if they were not to let other groups through as necessary , id say there would be a good few walk ins though , so that "might" speed it up a bit for the late starters
be some complaints tho id say
bobmac
Major Champion
I'm being very serious.
The point I was hoping to make was if the first group out are slow, it doesn't just affect a few groups behind, it would affect all groups.
Whether it be a 4 ball for 5 hours or a 3 ball for 4.30 hours doesn't really matter. The following groups would normally not have any problems keeping up but with nowhere to go, who's going to let who through? Nobody.
If however the first 4 ball nip round in 3.30 hours and the course slows up behind them then there would be 'room' to call groups through and a course marshall wouldn't have any problems identifying any slow groups/players as the gaps open up.
Scooby999
Club Champion
If the 7:30 lot were coming in when I normally tee off around mid day then my round wouldn't even start as I would jump back in the car! In my experience anyone who books a tee time before 0900hrs does not want to be out on the course very long and defo not 5 hours, there would be blood spilled at my gaff!
Ps you you didn't factor in weather conditions, time of year, stint meter reading for the greens etc :swing:
Ps you you didn't factor in weather conditions, time of year, stint meter reading for the greens etc :swing:
GB72
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So in other words it is just as important to marshall the front of the queue as it is the back.
This has been a problem for me before. At 2 GM events I have been in the last GM Group out with members allowed back on the tee shortly after. On both occasions I was hassled by the Marshall to speed up when there was no room ahead and nowhere to go if I played through. Was not the fault of our group, we kept up but the members behind saw a group of non members ahead and assumed it must be our fault and the marshall acted on their word.
Stuey01
Journeyman Pro
I'm guessing this is not an entirely hypothetical situation?
North Mimms
Tour Winner
If the first group out on an empty course really do take 5 hours to get round, they should be put at back of field for the next few months!
Foxholer
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The point I was hoping to make was if the first group out are slow, it doesn't just affect a few groups behind, it would affect all groups.
The first group out certainly has a significant responsibility to apply pace-of-play etiquette properly.
Your timing logic is also flawed. If the 'standard' for the course is 4 hours 30, say, and a quick group can get round in 3:30, then there is plenty of room in front of the slow 1st group for following groups to be let through - in fact 2 hours (approx 9 holes) worth of gap in front.
What has to happen is the slow 1st group let quicker following groups through. That (slow 1st) group may take 5 hours to get round, but it's only them that are taking that long. Other groups are taking much nearer the 'standard' time.
You are, in effect, adding the delays and time for distance between holes etc in twice.
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bobmac
Major Champion
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All clubs have their slow players and most members know who they are. Now I'm not saying they should all be forced to run round the course but at least make sure they dont go out first and may be encouraged to go out a bit later to let the faster groups get on with it.
The sprinters could run round first without being held up, followed by the more stately amongst the membership next, while the wanderers could just take their time with no-one pushing them from behind.
Birchy
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I think the length of the time delays isn't that important in this context. The point is this first group has affected so many other players and have set the tone for a large period of the comp. This shouldn't be allowed to happen really should it?
bobmac
Major Champion
Who said anything about the first group letting anyone through?
john0
Journeyman Pro
Fortunately we don't encounter this problem as the first couple of groups are always made up with people from the comps committee who like to run round anyway, therefore no traffic jam builds up early on
Foxholer
Blackballed
I did ask that question in Post 6 - about extra info being required!
Complaints aren't just at the 1st group then. If the Committee don't stress the importance of playing to time standards and letting quicker groups through, they deserve all the flak they get!
I certainly stated that responsibility, though rarely necessary, to early groups in comps I ran!
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
However!
If the first group takes 5 hours but all other groups, when not held up, play at a pace that allows them round in 3.5 hours then all the groups who tee off after 12.30 when the first group finishes will get round in 3.5 hours. All groups still on the course will complete their round in times increasingly tending towards 3.5 hours depending what part of the course they were on when the slowpokes finished!
If the first group takes 5 hours but all other groups, when not held up, play at a pace that allows them round in 3.5 hours then all the groups who tee off after 12.30 when the first group finishes will get round in 3.5 hours. All groups still on the course will complete their round in times increasingly tending towards 3.5 hours depending what part of the course they were on when the slowpokes finished!
However!
If the first group takes 5 hours but all other groups, when not held up, play at a pace that allows them round in 3.5 hours then all the groups who tee off after 12.30 when the first group finishes will get round in 3.5 hours. All groups still on the course will complete their round in times increasingly tending towards 3.5 hours depending what part of the course they were on when the slowpokes finished!
exactly- as in post 3
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Aha! Yes, your post was too succinct, took me a wee while to work it out myself!
