MLR E-5 alternative to S&D.

[sweaty sock]

I’ve played a few mizuno singles events and they use this. I have seen a player drop the ball way closer to the green than where they should have. Another dropped a ball and thought he was playing his 3rd shot from there when it was his 4th

Comes as no surprise.

 

[clubchamp98]

How is it anymore wide open to abuse than the PA rule.

It’s not.
This was muted to replace S&d that’s nothing to do with PAs.

A lot of golfers can’t measure a club length properly , letting them drop on the fairway nowhere near where their ball went oob or lost is just wide open for abuse.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No. I can only conjecture on the confusion, misinterpretation, inconsistent application and misapplication of said MLR.

 

[doublebogey7]

It’s not.
This was muted to replace S&d that’s nothing to do with PAs.

A lot of golfers can’t measure a club length properly , letting them drop on the fairway nowhere near where their ball went oob or lost is just wide open for abuse.

It is not to replace S&D but to offer another option.
What I'm suggesting is that it is no more open to abuse then other rules that already exist. I used PA as an example as the dropping options are very similar.

 

[rulefan]

I used PA as an example as the dropping options are very similar.

The only similarity is in estimating the point where the PA ball last crossed the margin and where the OB ball last crossed the margin

 

[doublebogey7]

The only similarity is in estimating the point where the PA ball last crossed the margin and where the OB ball last crossed the margin

I know, but aren't they the only points at which such a rule would be at risk of abuse. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[clubchamp98]

It is not to replace S&D but to offer another option.
What I'm suggesting is that it is no more open to abuse then other rules that already exist. I used PA as an example as the dropping options are very similar.

Golf is about pressure as well as just hitting the ball.
The rules and handicap system are dumming down to suit who?
pace of play/ new golfers / high cappers ,I don’t know really.
but if you have just hit a ball oob there is an element of pressure not to do it again.
just letting them drop on the fairway where they think it went off the course is just pathetic. imo of course.

 

[doublebogey7]

Golf is about pressure as well as just hitting the ball.
The rules and handicap system are dumming down to suit who?
pace of play/ new golfers / high cappers ,I don’t know really.
but if you have just hit a ball oob there is an element of pressure not to do it again.
just letting them drop on the fairway where they think it went off the course is just pathetic. imo of course.

I get that, buts what it got to do with the rule being "open to abuse".

 

[clubchamp98]

I know, but aren't they the only points at which such a rule would be at risk of abuse. Maybe I'm missing something.

OOB is normally off the property your playing. A PA is normally still on it but you can’t March 50 yds+ and drop on the fairway unless it’s in line .
If the MLR was one club length from the oob boundary then maybe it might have made more sense.
But letting the player drop on the fairway was the problem for me.

Take the unplayable ball rule, it’s your nearest point of relief why not that for this rule.

 

[clubchamp98]

I get that, buts what it got to do with the rule being "open to abuse".

Mainly about distance.
as I said before some players can’t measure a club length never Mind judge/guess where they should drop on the fairway.

how many would abuse this rule?
I could see plenty of arguments.

 

[rulefan]

I get that, buts what it got to do with the rule being "open to abuse".

The abuse has already taken hold. There are many stories from the US, where only one penalty stroke is being declared. The player is treating it as if it was a provisional. Many may be apocryphal but no smoke etc ..
Of course the more significant difference between PA and OB is the estimate of 2cl lateral (PA) and may be 30/40 yards no nearer the hole (OB). Plenty of wriggle room there.

 

[Colin L]

Golf is about pressure as well as just hitting the ball.
The rules and handicap system are dumming down to suit who?
pace of play/ new golfers / high cappers ,I don’t know really.
but if you have just hit a ball oob there is an element of pressure not to do it again.
just letting them drop on the fairway where they think it went off the course is just pathetic. imo of course.

For many many people, golf is about recreational enjoyment. The MLR contributes to that. But the guidance is clear - it's not intended for upper end golf.

 

[clubchamp98]

For many many people, golf is about recreational enjoyment.

Yes and in recreational golf you can do what you want.
But the question was asked” does the club use it!”

 

[Colin L]

Yes and in recreational golf you can do what you want.
But the question was asked” does the club use it!”

By recreational golf I include participation in competitions and recognise that many play by the the Rules in social golf. Golfers like me and many I know play by the rules in their social golf which is a long way from the pressures of competitive golf amongst the high flyers. I doubt if rulefan will learn much from responses to the question given that a score where the MLR has been used isn't an acceptable score for handicapping. I've no idea what the outcome in my own club would have been if been if that had not been the case. There was no debate because CONGU had decided for us.

 

[D-S]

I guess it would be interesting to know why CONGU thought this was unacceptable in ‘non-elite’ golf.

 

[Steven Rules]

Take the unplayable ball rule, it’s your nearest point of relief

No it's not.

 

[clubchamp98]

No it's not.

Yes it is unless your going back on the line or back to where you played your last shot from.
it’s not walk 50yds sideways to the fairway.

this MLR was to stop these long walks wasn’t it?

 

[clubchamp98]

By recreational golf I include participation in competitions and recognise that many play by the the Rules in social golf. Golfers like me and many I know play by the rules in their social golf which is a long way from the pressures of competitive golf amongst the high flyers. I doubt if rulefan will learn much from responses to the question given that a score where the MLR has been used isn't an acceptable score for handicapping. I've no idea what the outcome in my own club would have been if been if that had not been the case. There was no debate because CONGU had decided for us.

Right but my definition of recreational dosnt include competition golf.

 

[Steven Rules]

Yes it is unless your going back on the line or back to where you played your last shot from.

No it's not.

In your lateral relief option, the reference point is the spot of the original ball and the relief area is two club lengths not nearer the hole. No mention whatsoever of any 'nearest point of relief'. Rule 19.2c.

 

[rulefan]

I doubt if rulefan will learn much from responses to the question given that a score where the MLR has been used isn't an acceptable score for handicapping.

I was only interested in getting an impression of the proportion of clubs where the MLR was in force for non-Qs despite the CONGU ruling for Qs