MLR E-5 alternative to S&D.

[clubchamp98]

No it's not.

In your lateral relief option, the reference point is the spot of the original ball and the relief area is two club lengths not nearer the hole. No mention whatsoever of any 'nearest point of relief'. Rule 19.2c.

Yes my mistake. I worded it poorly.
but I was merely pointing out you have to drop close to where the ball was in the relief area.
not March 50+ yds to the fairway as per the MLR.

 

[rulie]

The abuse has already taken hold. There are many stories from the US, where only one penalty stroke is being declared. The player is treating it as if it was a provisional. Many may be apocryphal but no smoke etc ..
Of course the more significant difference between PA and OB is the estimate of 2cl lateral (PA) and may be 30/40 yards no nearer the hole (OB). Plenty of wriggle room there.

That "abuse" of the Rules for oob and lost ball was present long before MLR E-5 was put into the book. Not in competitions but in casual/general/recreational play. Just like preferred lies and gimmes.

 

[rulie]

Yes my mistake. I worded it poorly.
but I was merely pointing out you have to drop close to where the ball was in the relief area.
not March 50+ yds to the fairway as per the MLR.

There is another difference between unplayable and MLR E-5, one penalty stroke versus two penalty strokes. You pay more to get to the edge of the fairway.

 

[clubchamp98]

There is another difference between unplayable and MLR E-5, one penalty stroke versus two penalty strokes. You pay more to get to the edge of the fairway.

Yes there is but it’s the same total as playing 3 off the tee.
but then you need to play a golf shot with 3 off the tee, isn’t that what we go to do.?

 

[rulie]

Yes there is but it’s the same total as playing 3 off the tee.
but then you need to play a golf shot with 3 off the tee, isn’t that what we go to do.?

Well, it's a choice for the club or committee to implement the Model Local Rule or not. And groups/leagues can implement and use it for their own purposes. The purpose of the MLR is to help pace of play when players have not played a provisional for a ball that might be lost or might be out of bounds.
The Rules don't require you to play from a penalty area, you take the penalty and drop outside it.

 

[clubchamp98]

Well, it's a choice for the club or committee to implement the Model Local Rule or not. And groups/leagues can implement and use it for their own purposes. The purpose of the MLR is to help pace of play when players have not played a provisional for a ball that might be lost or might be out of bounds.
The Rules don't require you to play from a penalty area, you take the penalty and drop outside it.

Yes but a PA has a defined area.
losing your ball means you don’t know where it is so your just guessing.
I could see this causing a lot of arguments

 

[Steven Rules]

I also see a lot of angst when players make an 'optimistic' estimate of where their ball last crossed the edge of a red penalty area. Difference?

 

[clubchamp98]

I also see a lot of angst when players make an 'optimistic' estimate of where their ball last crossed the edge of a red penalty area. Difference?

The difference imo is at least a PA has a line or red stakes to give you a bit of a reference Point.
if you lose your ball it could be anywhere !
But S&D is the same for everyone no guesswork.

 

[rulie]

The difference imo is at least a PA has a line or red stakes to give you a bit of a reference Point.
if you lose your ball it could be anywhere !
But S&D is the same for everyone no guesswork.

See Rule 1.2a.

 

[clubchamp98]

See Rule 1.2a.

Good luck with that.
I have seen my fair share of leather wedges.
so expecting people not to abuse this is pie in the sky.

 

[rulie]

Good luck with that.
I have seen my fair share of leather wedges.
so expecting people not to abuse this is pie in the sky.

But, the Rules are based on people described in 1.2a. Those who don't want to play golf by the Rules will play as they wish, and aren't going to change. So be it. Imo, the majority of golfers want to play within the Rules.

 

[clubchamp98]

But, the Rules are based on people described in 1.2a. Those who don't want to play golf by the Rules will play as they wish, and aren't going to change. So be it. Imo, the majority of golfers want to play within the Rules.

Yes I totally agree.