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What’s funny ?

People stood on their lawn wearing masks because of the current virus get shot at and you appear to be looking for a way to justify it , same with the bringing in someone old criminal record as some whataboutary to try and scrap some justification that an innocent man was killed by the police.
 
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Surely they have a duty to uphold the law and attempting to retain peace and order during a riot is exactly that.
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They do, hence curfews. (even tho they announced them 10 minutes in advance in a few cities) - which is a joke. Public property falls under no curfew.

Those guys were on their own property, police need to follow the law themselves.
 
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Surely they have a duty to uphold the law and attempting to retain peace and order during a riot is exactly that.
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Of course they do but heavy-handed law enforcement is precisely what gave rise to this.

Do you not think firing pepper balls at people on their own property was not provocative at the very least?
 
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And the reason for the protest is.....

Oh yeah, an unarmed ‘known’ person with a history of violent crime who was driven out from his previous town/city died, and his life mattered!

Does anyone deserve to die at the hands of the authorities before a trial, obviously not, and that will be dealt with by the full weight of the criminal service.

But let’s not loose sight that this person (George) robbed and targeted single women at gun point and beat them when they cried out for help.

I don’t care if he was black, white or something in the middle, he was a callous calculated bully and a dangerous (armed at times) individual who should have been locked up for life with the key thrown away years ago!

But hey, all lives matter, or do they.....
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From what I've read, those cases were over 12 years ago and he was attempting to turn his life around. Whilst he had history, I'm not sure how it is relevant in this case?

He was arrested for allegedly trying to use a forged check/note. He was then choked to death by a police officer despite stating he couldn't breath, on camera whilst others begged for his life and for asked him to be helped. The police weren't arresting him for the type of crime you refer to and he wasn't fighting back. He was lying on the floor, handcuffed and and being starved of oxygen deliberately. A completely shocking case.
 
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What’s funny ?

People stood on their lawn wearing masks because of the current virus get shot at and you appear to be looking for a way to justify it , same with the bringing in someone old criminal record as some whataboutary to try and scrap some justification that an innocent man was killed by the police.
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There’s nothing ‘old’ about a felony conviction, it’s on his record for life, due to the seriousness of it. So he wasn’t rehabilitated in the sense of the legal word, otherwise it would be expunged from all records, which it wasn’t, even our rehabilitation act is 11yrs, so where is your evidence he was fully rehabilitated and no longer a threat to society, and please don’t say he may not have had any recent convictions, that could mean he was just more careful in his current crimes.
 
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There’s nothing ‘old’ about a felony conviction, it’s on his record for life, due to the seriousness of it. So he wasn’t rehabilitated in the sense of the legal word, otherwise it would be expunged from all records, which it wasn’t, even our rehabilitation act is 11yrs, so where is your evidence he was fully rehabilitated and no longer a threat to society, and please don’t say he may not have had any recent convictions, that could mean he was just more careful in his current crimes.
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That’s a heck a judgement you are making there based on nothing , he paid for his crime behind bars and there was nothing to suggest anything more than he was trying to turn his life around.

6 years since he left Prison and nothing - yet you want to attempt to find some deflection from him being killed despite doing nothing wrong. It seems the finger is being pointed at him as opposed to the policeman who choked him to death - wonder what the response be if the man was white and the policeman was black
 
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There’s nothing ‘old’ about a felony conviction, it’s on his record for life, due to the seriousness of it. So he wasn’t rehabilitated in the sense of the legal word, otherwise it would be expunged from all records, which it wasn’t, even our rehabilitation act is 11yrs, so where is your evidence he was fully rehabilitated and no longer a threat to society, and please don’t say he may not have had any recent convictions, that could mean he was just more careful in his current crimes.
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None of which provides any justification for the actions of the police officers.
 
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Fish said:
There’s nothing ‘old’ about a felony conviction, it’s on his record for life, due to the seriousness of it. So he wasn’t rehabilitated in the sense of the legal word, otherwise it would be expunged from all records, which it wasn’t, even our rehabilitation act is 11yrs, so where is your evidence he was fully rehabilitated and no longer a threat to society, and please don’t say he may not have had any recent convictions, that could mean he was just more careful in his current crimes.
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And now to add, he obviously wasn’t rehabilitating very well if he was, as has just been mentioned, attempting to use/produce a forged check?

Yeah, he was really turning his life around wasn't he.
 
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Of course they do but heavy-handed law enforcement is precisely what gave rise to this.

Do you not think firing pepper balls at people on their own property was not provocative at the very least?
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Do you think refusing to return to your property when told to was not provocative at the very least. It cant be easy to make rational decisions when facing a riot.
 
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Do you think refusing to return to your property when told to was not provocative at the very least. It cant be easy to make rational decisions when facing a riot.
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Regardless whether its a reasonable request, is it not equally reasonable to remain standing on your own property. Or what about reasonable force, where is the reasonable force in shooting someone with rubber bullets when they've used no force other than standing on their own property.

In the riot training we were given that would be classed as excessive and we'd be facing prosecution for acting that way as should those officers/national guard.
 
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Do you think refusing to return to your property when told to was not provocative at the very least. It cant be easy to make rational decisions when facing a riot.
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Like it or not higher standards are expected of law enforcement officers.

Was there any evidence to suggest that those people represented a threat?

I wholeheartedly agree that the task faced by the police and National Guard was a thankless one but that should not detract from the fact that their actions in firing the pepper balls could have easily led to an escalation.
 
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