Military Charities

[Foxholer]

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It is the politicians you should be ranting at for dragging our serviceman to such ill thought out wars.

While I agree that Politicians have a lot to answer for, both in terms of misguided entry into wars and ,more particularly and on topic, the consequences of their decisions on the participants, this topic is about Military Charities, not War per se!

And, apart from one (that only lasted 6 days), I don't believe there has been such a thing as a 'well thought out' war - at least not in the last 100 years!

 

[USER1999]

For me, I support the charities I support. I don't whine about others supporting other charities. I can't see the point. There are loads of deserving charities, and not enough people willing to support them, either through fund raising, or donations. I can't see the point of a post denigrating people who support a charity. They have made a choice to support it, that's it. If you don't want to, don't, give your time and money to someone else!

 

[Old Skier]

This has got to be a big wind up. The OP and one or two others have not published one substantiated fact and managed to get the response they seems to crave for.

A few small items of fact,

Most Chelsea Pensioners have seen active service although these days NI is considered a non PC area to give anyone any credit for.

Members of the forces do pay council tax when living in UK

H4H does not assist with the welfare or support of those service personnel who require help if they left the forces prior to 2001 and are mostly involved in capital projects with major support from other military charities.

Most single and bean stealer accom is now quite a bit more than a room with a sink in the corner and is not shared - this does not include accom in operational theatres.

Most pad accom is of a poor standard.

The RAF will not go on Exercise unless there is suitable 4* hotel accom available.

That is all.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Possibly the worst thread I have seen in my year on the forum.

Shivas you are so so so wrong it's untrue. Just read the whole thread and you are clearly talking out of your backside today.

 

[Old Skier]

I would also like to point out that very little of what the major military charities deal with (outside of H4H) has anything to do with service personnel with missing limbs. I suggest a read of SSAFA and TRBL web sites and it may open some doubters eyes as to what they are actively involved in.

 

[shivas irons]

Trying to keep out of the emotive arguments due to family connection but....

Shivas, this reads as if you are bitter about what the forces have because they made a choice to do what they do and should have appreciated that when signing up, yes?

However, you also made a choice to do what you do, with all the pros and cons which has given you, in your opinion, a lesser lifestyle, yes?

Why didn't you join the military?

Didnt join up because in my opinion military people in time become very institutionalized and basically brainwashed to the cause,but have worked for the MOD and the USAF.I do actually work with a lot of ex military guys in security who ive discussed this with who can see my point now they are civvys, and met many ex servicemen who simply couldnt cope in civvy street after being reprogrammed by the military.This is my opinion and you can keep your narrow minded insults to yourself I'm sticking to it.

 

[NWJocko]

Didnt join up because in my opinion military people in time become very institutionalized and basically brainwashed to the cause,but have worked for the MOD and the USAF.I do actually work with a lot of ex military guys in security who ive discussed this with who can see my point now they are civvys, and met many ex servicemen who simply couldnt cope in civvy street after being reprogrammed by the military.This is my opinion and you can keep your narrow minded insults to yourself I'm sticking to it.

Where have I made "narrow minded insults"!?

I haven't even made an insult!

 

[Papas1982]

Didnt join up because in my opinion military people in time become very institutionalized and basically brainwashed to the cause,but have worked for the MOD and the USAF.I do actually work with a lot of ex military guys in security who ive discussed this with who can see my point now they are civvys, and met many ex servicemen who simply couldnt cope in civvy street after being reprogrammed by the military.This is my opinion and you can keep your narrow minded insults to yourself I'm sticking to it.

I would suggest you followed likewise matey.

 

[Fish]

Other than that the only other one I will give to is H4H, not because I have any attachment other than knowing people who had fought in the Falklands, Gulf, Bosnia and Afghanistan, but because those injured in the line of duty are not cared for by a government who frankly don't give a monkey's about the front line troops..

Help for Heroes doesn't support (recognise) any injured servicemen pre September 2001, if you want to support everyone without choice, then The British legion should be supported more or at least equally.

This is a good piece from Simon Weston who feared for funds going to more 'glamorous' charities.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/simon-weston-fears-help-heroes-1848633

I fully support H4H's but equally support The British Legion who unfortunately have become second fiddle to H4H's and have as many if not more conflicts and wounded servicemen whether physically or mentally to look after going back decades.

I've served and been on active service many times between 77-96, lost many friends both fully (KIA) and through illnesses due to intense stress where some took their own lives or became unrecognisable and left the forces to just fade away without much if any support at that time.

I'm disgusted with the OP's views and opinions but as I'm a civilised individual (sometimes), I have to accept that others have different opinions however warped and I truly never wish to meet him or converse with him (the OP) at any time now or in the future.

Unsubscribed as I'm angry!

 

[Old Skier]

Didnt join up because in my opinion military people in time become very institutionalized and basically brainwashed to the cause,but have worked for the MOD and the USAF.I do actually work with a lot of ex military guys in security who ive discussed this with who can see my point now they are civvys, and met many ex servicemen who simply couldnt cope in civvy street after being reprogrammed by the military.This is my opinion and you can keep your narrow minded insults to yourself I'm sticking to it.

It appears you have a very small and it appears very sad bunch of workmates. Your sounding like a bouncer who might have been bounced. You work in security or are you really a doorman who is building it up a little.

 

[hovis]

Ok, lets take it away from the military. a fireman was in a house fire searching for a family when there was a gas explosion upstairs just as he was stood on the landing doorway. The door closing in his face with extreme force smashed his breathing apparatus mask and ruptured his eye socket, his fall back down the stairs broke his back. the fire service only pay 6 months sick and then reduced pay.
My question is, should he have stomached the £800 a month pay reduction as it was his choice to join and he knew the risks or ask for help from a charity called "the fire fighters charity" he wasnt chucking drunks out of a club he was trying to save a family's life

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Didnt join up because in my opinion military people in time become very institutionalized and basically brainwashed to the cause,but have worked for the MOD and the USAF.I do actually work with a lot of ex military guys in security who ive discussed this with who can see my point now they are civvys, and met many ex servicemen who simply couldnt cope in civvy street after being reprogrammed by the military.This is my opinion and you can keep your narrow minded insults to yourself I'm sticking to it.

Yep your dad would be proud to read such tripe.

Again you insult the very same people that allow you to have such freedom of speech - you should remember that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Help for Heroes doesn't support (recognise) any injured servicemen pre September 2001, if you want to support everyone without choice, then The British legion should be supported more or at least equally.

This is a good piece from Simon Weston who feared for funds going to more 'glamorous' charities.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/simon-weston-fears-help-heroes-1848633

I fully support H4H's but equally support The British Legion who unfortunately have become second fiddle to H4H's and have as many if not more conflicts and wounded servicemen whether physically or mentally to look after going back decades.

I've served and been on active service many times between 77-96, lost many friends both fully (KIA) and through illnesses due to intense stress where some took their own lives or became unrecognisable and left the forces to just fade away without much if any support at that time.

I'm disgusted with the OP's views and opinions but as I'm a civilised individual (sometimes), I have to accept that others have different opinions however warped and I truly never wish to meet him or converse with him (the OP) at any time now or in the future.

Unsubscribed as I'm angry!

Great post Robin

Well said

 

[Foxholer]

Members of the forces do pay council tax when living in UK

Exemption Category O applies to MoD properties that are for armed forces accommodation.

MoD make a contribution in lieu of C/T. Whether that is (partially) recovered from the inhabitants, I don't know (I suspect it's 'bundled' in the accommodation charge).

Members of the forces even pay (at least in some areas) when they are on duty overseas, though they get a payment from MoD to, supposedly, compensate.

The RAF will not go on Exercise unless there is suitable 4* hotel accom available.

:rofl:

 

[Old Skier]

Great post Robin

Well said

As a caseworker for TRBL and SSAFA I can see where this one could go.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Help for Heroes doesn't support (recognise) any injured servicemen pre September 2001

I was aware of that. My point being I have no connection to anything military other than being friends with those that were there and can tell me what war does. I support H4H more as an ongoing process, which isn't demeaning anything those injured before 2001 did for this country.

 

[DCB]

Why I can go to a local hospital and see people going through rehab who have had accidents, again your opinion is military biased.

From a non military point of view, my rehab after an accident was excellent, taught to be self sufficient, to wash myself, to dress myself, to feed myself at the table and eventually to walk again on my own two feet.

How much harder is it to do those simple things without a lower arm and hand or without your lower leg, or without your leg. Add to that the trauma of a brutal injury and the psychological effects of those injuries.

The two just do not match up. I know that from personal experience so don't come on here trying to make out it's the same thing. It is not.

 

[shivas irons]

From a non military point of view, my rehab after an accident was excellent, taught to be self sufficient, to wash myself, to dress myself, to feed myself at the table and eventually to walk again on my own two feet.

How much harder is it to do those simple things without a lower arm and hand or without your lower leg, or without your leg. Add to that the trauma of a brutal injury and the psychological effects of those injuries.

The two just do not match up. I know that from personal experience so don't come on here trying to make out it's the same thing. It is not.

Theres obviously people in rehab with the same conditions you mention.

 

[Old Skier]

I was aware of that.

I am truly amazed by that Homer. It is not a well publicised fact.

 

[Foxholer]

As a caseworker for TRBL and SSAFA I can see where this one could go.

You could quite likely be able to confirm how much these charities were involved (indeed created) post WW1 and 2 to refute the following too!

......and I'll add the men and the woman in the 1st and 2nd world wars had no choice in the matter but got on with life afterwards, some affected yes but they lived without the need for charity.