Military Charities

[Deleted member 15344]

Contravertional to some..But i do agree with a lot of what you say.

Then there is two


You can give your reasons if you want and tell us your own experience in regards military charities to help you form this opinion

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm making a generalisation that many people in many trades get injured but dont get help not just security workers, be nice if the public supported everybody, why just soldiers?

Because these people are protecting the public and the public are showing their support

Do you really not understand that ?!?

 

[shivas irons]

You do realise you are insulting every single person on here who supports the H4H


They do it because they are proud of our force and they do it because our government doesn't


Can I ask you now to stop this nonsense or pop along to Wattisham and go and see some people going through rehab that have lost a limb and then spout your nonsense to him

Why I can go to a local hospital and see people going through rehab who have had accidents, again your opinion is military biased.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thankyou,nice to see others have an opinion on this and dont just dismiss it as "rubbish".

Many have an opinion on this - you have dismissed them all because they disagree with you.

Please go and see a serviceman who has lost limbs or a family who has lost their son fighting to give you the freedom to sit there and dare critisize the fact that the rest of the public have seen fit to look after their soldiers and tell them to "Man up" and stop taking charity.

 

[shivas irons]

Because the public rightly feel the military are fighting on behalf of them. Putting their lives at risk on behalf of them and getting killed and maimed on behalf of them. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of a conflict they unflichingly go into it with world renowned and envied professionalism and bravery.

It is so different to the professions you refer to but it is clear you can't see that and will continue to swim upstream against the tide!

See my first post, its their choice to sign up.

 

[Hobbit]

Good post, doormen in Colchester where theres an army garrison have told me of situations where army guys have caused GBH to somebody for the garrison MP's to pick up the offender with the cooperation of the Police and smooth over the situation where as a civvy who does the same is charged.
The military is favored in that situation and others, why?

Darlington is the nearest big town to Catterick. I've seen local lads out looking for squaddies just so they can show how big they are for giving a squaddie a good kicking.

But if its squaddies always causing trouble, every town that isn't a garrison town obviously doesn't need doormen!

Anyway, if the vast majority agreed with your point of view just how would this thread read - in other words, you're talking rollox

 

[Fish]

Upgraded from a knob to a cock, and a big crowing one also that needs its neck wringing

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why I can go to a local hospital and see people going through rehab who have had accidents, again your opinion is military biased.

Those people haven't got injured protected your thick skull

People do have accidents yes - they get the care they need from the government

Military people have been injured in conflict - the difference is as clear as day and either you deliberately don't want to see or you are too too dense to see it.

Your father must be ashamed of you - I would be

 

[AmandaJR]

I'm out - this is making my blood boil. I'll let Phil try and reason with the OP (good luck Phil) and Fish to put what all but one other thinks - in a very appropriate and succinct manner might I add!

 

[ger147]

Thats rare in this area I can assure you.

It's not rare at all, you're a liar.

 

[bozza]

Darlington is the nearest big town to Catterick. I've seen local lads out looking for squaddies just so they can show how big they are for giving a squaddie a good kicking.

But if its squaddies always causing trouble, every town that isn't a garrison town obviously doesn't need doormen!

Anyway, if the vast majority agreed with your point of view just how would this thread read - in other words, you're talking rollox

I agree this is true as I live in Darlington and used to be out in town every weekend but they are both just as bad as each other from my experiences.

Many a time I've seen squaddies smashed by 6pm and going around in groups looking to start trouble.

As for the charity thing I rarely give to any charities, just selected ones, especially when some have people working for them that earn a lot more than i do for sweating my gonads off in a factory all week to just get by.

 

[chris661]

This is obviously an area that is close to a lot of people. I understand that emotions can run high in regard to this topic however please remember the rules of the forum when you post.

Thanks.

 

[hovis]

Many jobs have risks with them - start a charity for bouncers.

Post of the week!

Do i find myself warming to phil? Think i need to sleep on it:lol:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I disagree vehemently with the OP. However I am also fickle with what I support. I give to Cancer Research via DD as I lost both parent to cancer and known others with the illness. Other than that the only other one I will give to is H4H, not because I have any attachment other than knowing people who had fought in the Falklands, Gulf, Bosnia and Afghanistan, but because those injured in the line of duty are not cared for by a government who frankly don't give a monkey's about the front line troops. As long as the balance sheet matches and we are seen to be a presence to hell with the who and how.

 

[GB72]

I am only going to make one post on this as I really am shocked by this thread. I have grown up around our armed forces, went to school with their kids, work with their families and am honoured to call many active servicemen my friends. I wish I had one ounce of the dedication and courage to do the job they do but when my mates were signing up I went to uni. If I can give up my time and money to help in any small way then I will do it willingly and without hesitation.

I have always put my time into the forum h4h event despite not being ex forces and I have never really said why. The reason is that I got a call on a Sunday morning just about the time Rick was arranging the second one. It was my boss calling to tell me that my secretary had lost her husband in Afghanistan the week before she gave birth to their first child. If something like that does not kick you into action to do all that you can to help the brave men and women that serve this country and to support them and their families in times of need then there is no hope for some people.

 

[Rumpokid]

Then there is two


You can give your reasons if you want and tell us your own experience in regards military charities to help you form this opinion

Then there is two..What this a witch hunt...Firstly, i do not have to justify my post to you.
Secondly, i agreed with a LOT of OP's points, but NOT ALL...Trying to make this easy for you.
I have a son who is bound for the Army.I have 20 years, of working with armed forces,both UK and US.
It is the politicians you should be ranting at for dragging our serviceman to such ill thought out wars.
Emotive subject.Yes,,But some of the comments on here are uncalled for.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Then there is two..What this a witch hunt...Firstly, i do not have to justify my post to you.
Secondly, i agreed with a LOT of OP's points, but NOT ALL...Trying to make this easy for you.
I have a son who is bound for the Army.I have 20 years, of working with armed forces,both UK and US.
It is the politicians you should be ranting at for dragging our serviceman to such ill thought out wars.
Emotive subject.Yes,,But some of the comments on here are uncalled for.

So which comments do you agree with seeing as the OP is basically saying that the military shouldn't get charity because they have such a wonderful life in their cheap houses without council tax and if anything does go wrong I believe his words were - man up.

The reasons for the conflicts etc are something i will ever go into - what I do know is the people in the forces are fighting for freedom and protecting our country from people who wish to do harm. Those people put their lives on the line for us to be able to live our lives without fear.

The government isn't going to look after them but thankfully the general public ( bar the odd one ) do look after our own.

I hope your son stays safe in the army and god forbid he never ever needs the help of the military charities but if he did they would be there for you regardless

 

[NWJocko]

Trying to keep out of the emotive arguments due to family connection but....

Shivas, this reads as if you are bitter about what the forces have because they made a choice to do what they do and should have appreciated that when signing up, yes?

However, you also made a choice to do what you do, with all the pros and cons which has given you, in your opinion, a lesser lifestyle, yes?

Why didn't you join the military?

 

[Birchy]

Im not sure if iam missing something here or i am just being thick.

Is somebody trying to begrudge people handouts who have their arms and legs blown off risking their lives serving our country?

Or is this one big joke? :mmm:

 

[Papas1982]

Again Phil I'll say it again this is an ex servicemans obvious reaction to my post which is bound to be military biased, but its not necesarily right.

Except that many people who aren't military based have repeated his sentiment. I've known ex doorman and ex soldiers and trust me, their "was stories" bare no comparison.
I don't personally support h4h, have nothing against it, simply have more personal charities I support.

Whilst they do choose do the job and I may not necessarily give them a pat on the back for doing it, people in most work places have better support than these guys get.

For someone to to object to them getting support because poor old doormen may get injured is quite simply laughable!