Migrant problem in Kent/Sussex

[CliveW]

God no.

Why not?

 

[DanFST]

Why not?

Because what message does that send to those that are trying to come here legally and safely.

 

[Wolf]

Because what message does that send to those that are trying to come here legally and safely.

Lots of reasons people come in like this though, some maybe chancing it but others feel it's their only route out of a life of fear.

If nobody wants to work the fields and some of these are willing to, willing to pay the tax on their earnings and no longer live a life of fear then process them and help them.

 

[DanFST]

Lots of reasons people come in like this though, some maybe chancing it but others feel it's their only route out of a life of fear.

I'm not Europe's biggest fan by any means. But the Schengen area doesn't exactly scream life of fear to me.

 

[Taz]

I'm sure there are quite a few who escape the border force net who are working in gangs doing such work

 

[CliveW]

During WWI and II, we put prisoners of war into farms to help the effort! Why not help refugees?

 

[Blue in Munich]

During WWI and II, we put prisoners of war into farms to help the effort! Why not help refugees?

I've got no issues with genuine refugees, but these are mainly economic migrants.

 

[Wolf]

I'm not Europe's biggest fan by any means. But the Schengen area doesn't exactly scream life of fear to me.

Have you lived their lives, do you know what they're running from?

As I said there always going to be chancers, but people willing to risk their lives in a busy shipping canal to get somewhere to improve their lives would suggest a modicum of desperation.

 

[SocketRocket]

Have you lived their lives, do you know what they're running from?

As I said there always going to be chancers, but people willing to risk their lives in a busy shipping canal to get somewhere to improve their lives would suggest a modicum of desperation.

But when they are in France they are in a modern civilised country where they are safe from any previous regimes. Some will be ecconomic migrants who's lives were never in danger, they want to improve their life chances which is admirable but there are systems in place in most countries to manage who can be allowed residence, surely that's fair. Those who find themselves in France as refugees from countries where their lives are at risk should have been given political asylum and their cases reviewed while being provided with reasonable accommodation, food and healthcare.

I just cannot understand how anyone can consider the way France deals with these people is acceptable. If the final destination of these people was Ireland would the UK allow them to exist in shanty camps on Anglesea with no assessment or help.

 

[DanFST]

Have you lived their lives, do you know what they're running from?

As I said there always going to be chancers, but people willing to risk their lives in a busy shipping canal to get somewhere to improve their lives would suggest a modicum of desperation.

Have you??

They have all of the Shengen area to choose from (I think) and safety western society brings. I would hazard a guess most are not being pushed to Northern France, they are being pulled by the UK's Economic benefits.

 

[Taz]

Have you lived their lives, do you know what they're running from?

As I said there always going to be chancers, but people willing to risk their lives in a busy shipping canal to get somewhere to improve their lives would suggest a modicum of desperation.

Aided by the ability to pay criminal gangs a large fee

 

[chrisd]

I've got no issues with genuine refugees, but these are mainly economic migrants.

And are also economic migrants who can get the, not insignificant, sum of money together to pay the traffickers to get them to the UK!

 

[Wolf]

But when they are in France they are in a modern civilised country where they are safe from any previous regimes. Some will be ecconomic migrants who's lives were never in danger, they want to improve their life chances which is admirable but there are systems in place in most countries to manage who can be allowed residence, surely that's fair. Those who find themselves in France as refugees from countries where their lives are at risk should have been given political asylum and their cases reviewed while being provided with reasonable accommodation, food and healthcare.

I just cannot understand how anyone can consider the way France deals with these people is acceptable. If the final destination of these people was Ireland would the UK allow them to exist in shanty camps on Anglesea with no assessment or help.

Did I anywhere say the way France is dealing with them acceptable?.. No I didn't at all.

I also said there are some chancers and as such will be dealt with accordingly i hope. But I also see a group of people risking their lives to get here so I'd like to remain compassionate to that plight.

As for if final destination was Ireland, I'd like to hope the UK would be more helpful than what they've currently suffered, but I'm sure there's plenty of Brits that would prefer to shuffle them on.

Have you??

They have all of the Shengen area to choose from (I think) and safety western society brings. I would hazard a guess most are not being pushed to Northern France, they are being pulled by the UK's Economic benefits.

No I haven't that's why I choose not to judge their circumstances and offer compassion to people literally risking their lives to get here. We don't know what their reasons are it's pure speculation and assumptions because they're immigrants. But anyone willing to risk their lives to have a chance at a better life imo deserves a chance to be heard and helped instead of just assuming they're a freeloader. Just my opinion of course.

Aided by the ability to pay criminal gangs a large fee

Never said it was right or fair i merely pointed out there maybe reasons.

 

[Old Skier]

God that reminds me of an overnight stay I had at Catterick back in 2003 on my way up to RM Condor.

The place was an absolute hovel swear they put us up in a block due to be pulled down, then there was the scoff house ?

One night, try 12 weeks basic and it was the same S Hole in the 70's

 

[CliveW]

One night, try 12 weeks basic and it was the same S Hole in the 70's

But Catterick isn't the real RAF. It's the Regiment and Fire Service. ?

 

[Old Skier]

But Catterick isn't the real RAF. It's the Regiment and Fire Service. ?

In 71 we didn't allow the RAF gate guard anywhere near us.

 

[Wolf]

One night, try 12 weeks basic and it was the same S Hole in the 70's

Fortunately it was merely an overnight stay on way to a proper camp.

You could literally see the poor recruits life being sucked out of them being there ?

But Catterick isn't the real RAF. It's the Regiment and Fire Service. ?

I once had a Regiment guy try to explain to a group of us that their 5 miler of death was the hardest test any soldier could do?

 

[DanFST]

But anyone willing to risk their lives to have a chance at a better life imo deserves a chance to be heard and helped instead of just assuming they're a freeloader. Just my opinion of course.

Fair enough, rules and the due process is what sets us apart from the areas these people are fleeing.

I don't personally believe enabling illegal immigration and giving incentives for more people to break the rules is a good strategy. It would severely hamper relations with immigrants and the native population. Immigration is a great thing, but if illegal immigrants can't legally work, the easiest (only) thing is to turn to illegitimate means of surviving.

 

[Old Skier]

I once had a Regiment guy try to explain to a group of us that their 5 miler of death was the hardest test any soldier to could ?

Biggest waste of space ever to put on a uniform IMO

 

[Wolf]

Fair enough, rules and the due process is what sets us apart from the areas these people are fleeing.

I don't personally believe enabling illegal immigration and giving incentives for more people to break the rules is a good strategy. It would severely hamper relations with immigrants and the native population. Immigration is a great thing, but if illegal immigrants can't legally work, the easiest (only) thing is to turn to illegitimate means of surviving.

That's where subject like immigration on here get twisted the usual crowd jump on and assume anyone being more liberal is supporting illegal immigration, im not supporting it at all. It needs better governance in France to deal with what's happening there before they get this far. But what I am for is helping people in need and if they've got through and are risking their lives then I feel we should help in some way if their plight is determined to be genuine.

But we all have our own opinions and at least we can say we had a decent debate about it ??