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So the questions about how they are getting the boats and why the traffikers aren’t being asked by the Government, the problem is on land not at sea.
Migrant problem in Kent/Sussex
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Are there no limits to the mans portfolio.
ColchesterFC
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Are there no limits to the mans portfolio.
Successful UK political candidate?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Did he take his fishing rod with him?Are there no limits to the mans portfolio.
chrisd
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It isn't difficult to buy a dinghy I guess, and, because we see a lot more local news only living about 5 miles from where they land, many boats are being stolen from French harbours. The problem is that when we make little effort to stop them then we might as well just give them Calais to Dover ferry tickets and declare an open house
Taz
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And if it's true, that the French navy are happy to escort them out of their waters rather than take them back to the shore
those entering the UK illegally on the boats are not migrants, they are illegal immigrants
Taz
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That's cleared up some of my questions :
Is the Home Secretary Priti Patel aware of what the border force is doing?
The French boat was not escorting the migrant boat. International maritime law prevents border force intervening with boats unless they are expressly invited to. The boats were shadowing the migrant vessel in case it sank and the people needed rescuing. The first duty French and British vessels is to save life at sea. Upon arrival those aboard the boats have to be processed through the asylum system before the Government is legally able to return them.
Has this collaboration been given Ministerial approval?
Collaboration is wide of the mark. Priti raises the issue of channel crossings with the French interior minister every time she sees him. Both are committed to stopping it, but have to work within the framework of international law, meaning the work to stop crossings can largely only be done on land not at sea. More will be able to done to deal with boats once they have landed on British shores when the Brexit transition period ends. The Government is keen to reassess the EU’s Dublin convention on asylum application.
Is the French Navy not in breach of EU directives and/or law?
The French Navy is following international law. It would be illegal to intervene with the boat. Instead, the navy is committed by law to save lives at sea, and consequently shadows boats that are at risk.
Is this the official or unofficial policy of the French government?
The French Government has been working well with the British to stop illegal channel crossings. They do not want to allow crossings as this creates a strong pull factor for more migrants to come across continental Europe to northern France in the hope of crossing too. It is a big domestic political problem for them, and they have been largely successful in clearing migrant camps and patrolling beaches. 100 people were stopped over the weekend. Boats do however slip through the net.
Guido asked why it was the case that the Australians were able to turn back boats uninvited. They do it by breaking international law. It upsets the UN and embroils the Australian Government in a lot of legal trouble with powerful interest groups, it works though…
Is the Home Secretary Priti Patel aware of what the border force is doing?
The French boat was not escorting the migrant boat. International maritime law prevents border force intervening with boats unless they are expressly invited to. The boats were shadowing the migrant vessel in case it sank and the people needed rescuing. The first duty French and British vessels is to save life at sea. Upon arrival those aboard the boats have to be processed through the asylum system before the Government is legally able to return them.
Has this collaboration been given Ministerial approval?
Collaboration is wide of the mark. Priti raises the issue of channel crossings with the French interior minister every time she sees him. Both are committed to stopping it, but have to work within the framework of international law, meaning the work to stop crossings can largely only be done on land not at sea. More will be able to done to deal with boats once they have landed on British shores when the Brexit transition period ends. The Government is keen to reassess the EU’s Dublin convention on asylum application.
Is the French Navy not in breach of EU directives and/or law?
The French Navy is following international law. It would be illegal to intervene with the boat. Instead, the navy is committed by law to save lives at sea, and consequently shadows boats that are at risk.
Is this the official or unofficial policy of the French government?
The French Government has been working well with the British to stop illegal channel crossings. They do not want to allow crossings as this creates a strong pull factor for more migrants to come across continental Europe to northern France in the hope of crossing too. It is a big domestic political problem for them, and they have been largely successful in clearing migrant camps and patrolling beaches. 100 people were stopped over the weekend. Boats do however slip through the net.
Guido asked why it was the case that the Australians were able to turn back boats uninvited. They do it by breaking international law. It upsets the UN and embroils the Australian Government in a lot of legal trouble with powerful interest groups, it works though…
rudebhoy
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If migrants/refugees were trying to get from the UK to France, how many folk on here would want the Royal Navy to intercept them and bring them back to the UK?
SocketRocket
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Illegal migrants would not be allowed to hang around British ports. They would be taken to centres where their status would be checked and they would be either registered as political refugees or illegal immigrants. They would not be left to live on squalid camps.
rudebhoy
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it was a hypothetical question, how about a yes/no answer?
SocketRocket
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My point is your question is meaningless as that would not happen, we are more responsible in our policies and morals than the French. As such my answer is Yes, I would.
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SocketRocket
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Well yes but that's different ?
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Apology accepted.
Wolf
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God that reminds me of an overnight stay I had at Catterick back in 2003 on my way up to RM Condor.
The place was an absolute hovel swear they put us up in a block due to be pulled down, then there was the scoff house ?
Taz
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I know who to ask next time, you available for pub quizzes ?Apology accepted.
huds1475
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Am somehow minded of the following 
jim8flog
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The trouble with the photo of ship tracking is that is does not show a timeline for each vessel.
By the time the French ship gets tot eh dinghy is the dinghy in international waters and therefore do they have any legal right to take it back to France. If nobody in the dinghy is at immediate risk of drowning how can it been seen as saving lives at sea?
By the time the French ship gets tot eh dinghy is the dinghy in international waters and therefore do they have any legal right to take it back to France. If nobody in the dinghy is at immediate risk of drowning how can it been seen as saving lives at sea?
CliveW
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We are struggling to find people to work in the fields and pick fruit since the Brexit ruling and lockdown. Get them processed and into work as soon as possible!
