Matchplay Rules question

[BushFinder]

Played in a 4 ball match today, and the follwing took place, i would be interested to know what the exact rullings should be for my own knowedge.

We all took tee shots, my ball and that of my partners were closer to the hole than both our opponents, my partner walked away from his ball and i called out 'where are you going' he thought I was indicating for him to take his shot, he played his ball, and then one of our opponents immediately said he gets a two stroke penalty for playing out of turn!

I assumed he was joking, and we carried on with the hole, our opponent put his second shot to within 6 inches(par 4),
and my partner had a 12 footer for a half.

My partner walked up to the opponents ball and taped it back(indicating it was given). The opponent then walked up to my parners ball and tapped it to my partner! I asked him what he was doing as it was a put for a half (a long one admittedly) and he said we could'nt get a half as he had played out of turn!
I said if you wanted to penalise him, you should have made him replay the shot.
Now my question is does he tecnically lose the hole because he picked up my partners ball?

As it turns out he let my partner replace the ball, and he missed the put.

Sorry about the long rambilng post I hope it makes sense.

Bushfinder

 

[backwoodsman]

The two shot penalty was rubbish. If your partner played out of turn, your oppo could have asked for the shot to be replayed (but without penalty)in correct order. But they don't have to - they could also let the shot stand. (rule 10-1 c)

So, if they didn't ask for the shot to be replayed, then the putt would have been for a half.

When your oppo moved the ball he incurred a one shot penalty (rule 18-3) - so ball should have been replaced and the putt would have been for a win and a second putt would have been for a half

 

[CliveW]

Rule 10 Order of Play
10-1 Match Play
b During Play of Hole "After both players have started play of the hole, the ball further from the hole is played first" (So no putting out)
c. Playing Out of Turn. "If a player plays when his opponent should have played, there is no penalty, but the opponent may immediately require the player to cancel the stroke so made and, in correct order, play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played."
If your opponent hit your partner's ball to him, I would have taken it as he was giving him the putt.

 

[BushFinder]

Thanks Backwoodsman!

 

[backwoodsman]

If your opponent hit your partner's ball to him, I would have taken it as he was giving him the putt.

Perhaps - but just hitting the ball away doesn't necessarily mean a concession. There generally has to some indication to go with it - such as a "you can have that" or "take it away" or something similar.

In this case, if you accept it was a concession then hole halved. If not accepted, then it was a penalty and the 1st putt was for a win and the second for half - so looks like hole was halved either way.

Did it affect the result?

 

[thecraw]

Why did you not just knock him out with an upper cut to the jaw?

 

[Ethan]

The other side lost the hole. They could have insisted your side replayed after your partner played out of turn, but didn't so lost their chance to later correct the infraction, then they broke the rules by moving your ball on the green, which incurs a one shot penalty under rule 18-3.

 

[jammydodger]

If you read his post it says that the putt was indicated as given so I would say the hole was halved. Once a putt is given it cannot be taken back or turned down.

 

[Ethan]

If you read his post it says that the putt was indicated as given so I would say the hole was halved. Once a putt is given it cannot be taken back or turned down.

You are quite correct. Hole halved.

 

[BushFinder]

Did it affect the result?

We lost 3&2!

 

[Robobum]

If I've read and understood your OP correctly. Your partner would have had to replace his ball, the guy who knocked the ball back should have been penalised 1 stroke. So your partner now had a putt to win the hole and 2 putts for the half.

Decision 2-4/4

 

[freddielong]

I am always amazed at the amount of basic rules question on here -

The rules of golf is availible as a free pdf download from randa.com, not knowing ther rules only works against you there are no excuses.

 

[intherough]

wow wow wow, I'm confused just trying to read this. I think I'd have gone with the craw suggestion.

 

[jammydodger]

If you read his post it says that the putt was indicated as given so I would say the hole was halved. Once a putt is given it cannot be taken back or turned down.

This is the only answer you need to know. The other team had the option of asking your partner to play the ball again..they didnt do this and when he knocked the ball to your partner indicating it was given then the hole was halved in 3

Ignore everyone else unless they agree with this because they are wrong....simples

 

[Robobum]

His partners' putt wasn't given, it was tapped back in the belief that his partner was out of the hole due to him playing out of turn.

Ignore Jammy's post because he hasn't read/ understood the original post....simples

 

[jammydodger]

Anyone else think that if you tap a ball back to your opponenet it means you've given them their next shot , whether it means a win/loss or half ??

To start saying you would penalise them a stroke for moving your ball in play pretty much flies against any sort of sportsmanship i've been brought up to follow and something I wouldnt have anything to do with.

He didnt ask for the shot to be replayed and subsequently "gave" the next shot (albeit in mistaken circumstances). I repeat it was a half for those of us that play fair and square , if it was my mistake I would have said "sorry, my error , have the putt as a half and lets go to the next tee"

You want to penalise me for tapping it back then you can have the match and good luck in the next round. I'll be in the bar having a pint and letting everyone know what a c--k you are

 

[freddielong]

To me if my opponent taps my ball back to me he is giving me the putt, it is up to him to check the score before he does it.

 

[Robobum]

A clock for playing within the rules?? Interesting line of thought, how many other rules are "clockworthy" whilst you are smugging it up with your bar chums??

Hardly higher moral ground when you are agreeing to waive the rules is it. Which, incidently, will DQ you both if you both agree to it, but then at least you'll have clock company in the bar

 

[jammydodger]

sighs .....

 

[Robobum]

laughs... (at you, not with you)