Matchplay- Fair result?

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OK today was the winter matchplay league final round. My team is bottom of the league even though a few of us have not lost yet (including myself). I have ground out 4 halves and won twice.

Today was one of those wins but it caused my teams assistant captain to be a little annoyed at me. The captain himself didnt say anything to me and seemed to sit on the fence on what I chose to do.

I set off in one of two singles matches (team of 6 players, two singles play together, after an american greensomes and a 4BBB). I started strong with four pars on the trot to go 4 up. We then halved three of the next 4 and I lost one so sat 3 up going onto the 9th.

After teeing off on the 8th my playing partner told me he had hurt his shoulder drilling a drive. I told him to let me know if it was bothering him. He hit a thin but good 2nd shot and we halved the hole in 5s after I had to chip out a bunker as I drove it under the lip.

He was then in obvious pain on and around the green but could still play OK.

On the next tee he duffed a drive and then thinned another shot. At this point he said he could not go on.

I talked to him for a minute and said as he still had two shots owed so I suggested a score of 1-up, which to me would be fair as it was becoming a close match. He agreed and we recorded that.

I was playing with the organiser and I checked with him before agreeing that it was OK, he did not say we could not do this but also didnt confirm that there was a rule on it.

It turns out there was some rule that says the match should be recorded as a walkover (player does not turn up or does not complete the match). The guy did turn up, did not give up easily and I believe the guy did complete the match as I won it one up after 9 and we called an end to it there! A fair and just result I think as the match had become pretty close.

I think it is also fair as I have played in other games in the league where after 4-6 holes my opponent and the other singles game with us have walked in with halves on really rainy cold days, I would happily have carried on but there would have been little quality golf! I think this guy deserves more than a walkover when the above has happened and the guy I was playing got a half!

So should I have played by the rulebook even though there is not an exact rule but only an interpretation of what constitutes a walkover.

Sorry for the long post but it needed fully explaining, so I ask, what would you have done and did you think what I did was right?

PS We still got the most points of any team that day and won £20 in vouchers.
 
do the scores in each match count for much, I can't see how they do. If the comp is that serious that some have been agreeing halves on cold days then I think what you did was generous but makes sense for the competition and would like to think most would do the same in your position
 
Unlss there is something in the league whereby the +/- aggregate of holes won counts and a no result is interpreted as say a 3 up win then I'd have been perfectly happy with a one up victory. I can't really see how it is classed as a walkover if you've played some of the match. Didn't it happen in a Solhiem cup a while back where one of the singles didn't finish as the player was injured and they gave the point to the winning team and recorded it as the score at the time
 
As has been said, unless the actual score matters I can't see what the fuss is about.
If the scores do matter then it should be a walkover as the other player couldn't/didn't finish.
 
Sounds like your opponent conceded the match to me (albeit unfortunately due to injury), it shouldnt matter whether he had shots left or not.
 
Technically it should be a walkover yes but I do not feel it would be a fair reflection of the game. The guy could have played on and lost heavily and I would have felt just as guilty.

I do not think anyone has been hurt by me doing what I did, they did not loose any points (you do not loose points for a big loss). The only team to come off with less points was mine as we lost a few bonus points and I think they would have been unjust points if we had got them ( and would not have changed out league position anyway as we are behind by a long way).
 
i dont think you have broken any rules here ( i can stand corrected on this) personaly i think you did the RIGHT thing ,,esp if ye were way out of running anyhow.. golf is or should be about respect & honour ;;well done man FAIR play
 
I do not think anyone has been hurt by me doing what I did, they did not loose any points (you do not loose points for a big loss). The only team to come off with less points was mine as we lost a few bonus points and I think they would have been unjust points if we had got them ( and would not have changed out league position anyway as we are behind by a long way).

Regardless, it was a match. And a competitive one as well. If there are points at stake for a walkover vs a 2&1 win then I would demand the walkover. Yes Golf is about Honour and fairness but it's also about winning in a competitive situation. If the other player's injured it's not your fault, nothing you can do about it. If you caused the injury then I can see calling a half might be the right thing but not in this case.
Harsh but that's "Competitive" Matchplay.
Do you think Alex Ferguson would let West Ham off with a 3-2 win instead of a 4-2 for any reason at all? Of course not.

Take all the points you can - it's a battle.
As I said earlier, if there were no extra points at stake then it's not a problem but with points difference obviously counting I can see why your Captain wasn't best pleased.
 
it caused my teams assistant captain to be a little annoyed at me. The captain himself didnt say anything to me and seemed to sit on the fence on what I chose to do.

You're playing as a single, your captain/assistant should respect whatever you decide. It is your judgement call based on your experience. You did what you thought was best.
 
I see your point ... BUT.. alex in the running for honours tho / last day of the season does it mater what the result is if you already relegated ?? they out of the comp & it wouldnt change their position . what does it matter the result??
 
I see your point ... BUT.. alex in the running for honours tho / last day of the season does it mater what the result is if you already relegated ?? they out of the comp & it wouldnt change their position . what does it matter the result??

Fair - but if they were that far behind why bother to play it anyway... :p
Maybe the Captain didn't want to finish with the lowest points total ever.
 
True but ;; ha ha always a but isnt there ha .. in the spirit of golf tho it was the right thing .. seldom be seen or done by the primadonnas in soccer,,
 
Having read the responses on here I can see both sides, however I applaud your sense of honour. I think you captain should look at a very famous incident in Ryder Cup where there was a lot more at stake (well the overall match result - not the destination of the cup) and Jack Nicklaus conceded a very missable putt to Tony Jacklin - sense of fair play and honour, one of the things that for me defines golf.

OK your Captain may have the hump but did it really affect the final outcome - perhaps with time to reflect his opinion may change with regards to your actions.
 
Regardless, it was a match. And a competitive one as well. If there are points at stake for a walkover vs a 2&1 win then I would demand the walkover. Yes Golf is about Honour and fairness but it's also about winning in a competitive situation. If the other player's injured it's not your fault, nothing you can do about it.


I'm fully with Imurg on this one. You have to play to the rules, always. If your perceived "kindness" saw the team lose points I can see why the Captain was annoyed. If a player withdraws through injury thats down to him, its not your fault and you can't second guess what would have happened, you really do walk in and leave the match officials to decide the outcome, then there is no hassle with anyone.
 
tough as it is, I'm with imurg, especially as points were at stake. did you know the state of play of the other matches? could those bonus points have got you off the bottom of the league?
unless you can discuss it with your captain, leave the grandiose gestures up to them.
 
This is going round in circles.

The RoG cover this in rule 2-4

2-4. Concession of Match, Hole or Next Stroke
A player may concede a match at any time prior to the start or conclusion of that match.
A player may concede a hole at any time prior to the start or conclusion of that hole.
A player may concede his opponent’s next stroke at any time, provided the opponent’s ball is at rest.The opponent is considered to have holed out with his next stroke, and the ball may be removed by either side.
A concession may not be declined or withdrawn.

Simple really :D
 
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