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Matchplay Championships @ Forest of Arden
- Thread starter Foxholer
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Is this the guy they kept calling the short game wizzard on the trilby tour ?
Terrible swing though
Terrible swing though
Wow, I reckon this is kicking up a little more dust and dirt than the organisers woudl like!
** 2011 Irish champion in the trilby tour playing off 13, howdidido winner thrashing everyone. 5 years ago playing off 11 now off 17 winning the singles with a final days round of 45 points 9 under his handicap. With people like him in this competition puts you off entering. sleep well maybe there is another competition you can enter for a free holiday next year. maybe these sort of events should have a bandits list to stop them entering
** Should be thrown in prison for fraud!!!
** You may have won the comp, but you have ruined your name!
** 45 points - turn it in, not smiling much because he's too embarrassed, you could buy a trophy like that for £15 and get it engraved if it meant that much, definitely a reason not to enter, same as trilby off 3/4 and guys returning 43+ points, same ones every year
** Interesting! It seems this tournament has double standards! They didn't allow last years champ to enter so I've seen on some threads who played off 6 and won with 30, 28,38 points! I'm sure that guy is now laughing as they now have a tournament with no integrity!
** I qualified for the regional finals where there were 6 places to the finals. I was told by a lad on the practise day that we were playing for 4 places as Tom and another lad were dead certs for winning it. I wouldn't enter again to be honest, everyone do not enter this comp and go enter league to Dubai who banned him. I googled his name the day before the regionals and there were lots of 'Cheat' threads from different golf forums. If the organisers were keen to ban cheats it wouldn't of taken more than 2mins to find this out.
** Two things required here. Winner needs his handicap suspended for 12 months and investigated by GUI. Secondly the handicap secretary of his home club should be removed and sanctioned for allowing this to happen.
** there is a lot of stuff flying around about it on-line LTdubai taking a stance on it which is great hope other comps do as well or all national knock outs come a joke. Can't be hard to have scores sent straight back to home club in this modern world now a days. Only way to stop it he must play a lot of rounds in all this different comps that are not handicap qualifiers... True golfers and gentleman know the game and winning feeling.
** Why doesn't his home club general play him! He's obviously got an inaccurate handicap. 45 points on the Els course!? Ridiculous !
** Nothing new there then
** he beat me in last match before qualifier in England, he was just back from the Algarve where him and his partner had just won a pairs competition run by howdidido. bit of a tour golfer I think !!
** Looks like a really great event was thinking about entering now not sure due these people. League to Dubai doing the right thing and banning them or DQ them.
** really interested in your comment ref LTDubai as me and a mate have entered it this year. How do you mean they have banned him. I entered the trilby tour last year and Tom showed up at 4 diff events and yes overheard him saying his handicap had gone up and was once off 11. How are LTD combating this however it is good to know for sure
** 3 qualifying comps p/a is a joke. CONGU need to sort this and make the number more like 7 or 8.
** I once played a guy in this comp off 17. When I asked why he carried 4 wedges, he said, " I hit that one 87 yards, that one 101, that one 114 and that one 126". We shook hands on 15, losing 4&3.
** Tom Muldoon is a popular name of Mexican origin!!! Met him at Trilby Tour event 4 years ago, his golf must of been crap since then because his 'handicap' is 5 shots higher now!!!!! #banhim
** It's a real shame people do this. I've only good things to say about this completion having qualified in 2011. I suspect the guys who run it will be horrified about the negative comments as they do everything possible to weed out the cheats. I'm certain some rule changes will be in place for next year to counter this but if you put in 3 moody cards in 12 months you are congu legal!
** I had the trip of a lifetime and will enter again for the coming year with our new much LOWER handicaps!
** His home club is in south Ireland but play in the north Ireland Region
** Match play is in on it with him he never return any cards to his club last year
Strong opinions above which must be being read and seen by the organisers and even governing bodies, brings the whole game into disrepute IMO.
** 2011 Irish champion in the trilby tour playing off 13, howdidido winner thrashing everyone. 5 years ago playing off 11 now off 17 winning the singles with a final days round of 45 points 9 under his handicap. With people like him in this competition puts you off entering. sleep well maybe there is another competition you can enter for a free holiday next year. maybe these sort of events should have a bandits list to stop them entering
** Should be thrown in prison for fraud!!!
** You may have won the comp, but you have ruined your name!
** 45 points - turn it in, not smiling much because he's too embarrassed, you could buy a trophy like that for £15 and get it engraved if it meant that much, definitely a reason not to enter, same as trilby off 3/4 and guys returning 43+ points, same ones every year
** Interesting! It seems this tournament has double standards! They didn't allow last years champ to enter so I've seen on some threads who played off 6 and won with 30, 28,38 points! I'm sure that guy is now laughing as they now have a tournament with no integrity!
** I qualified for the regional finals where there were 6 places to the finals. I was told by a lad on the practise day that we were playing for 4 places as Tom and another lad were dead certs for winning it. I wouldn't enter again to be honest, everyone do not enter this comp and go enter league to Dubai who banned him. I googled his name the day before the regionals and there were lots of 'Cheat' threads from different golf forums. If the organisers were keen to ban cheats it wouldn't of taken more than 2mins to find this out.
** Two things required here. Winner needs his handicap suspended for 12 months and investigated by GUI. Secondly the handicap secretary of his home club should be removed and sanctioned for allowing this to happen.
** there is a lot of stuff flying around about it on-line LTdubai taking a stance on it which is great hope other comps do as well or all national knock outs come a joke. Can't be hard to have scores sent straight back to home club in this modern world now a days. Only way to stop it he must play a lot of rounds in all this different comps that are not handicap qualifiers... True golfers and gentleman know the game and winning feeling.
** Why doesn't his home club general play him! He's obviously got an inaccurate handicap. 45 points on the Els course!? Ridiculous !
** Nothing new there then
** he beat me in last match before qualifier in England, he was just back from the Algarve where him and his partner had just won a pairs competition run by howdidido. bit of a tour golfer I think !!
** Looks like a really great event was thinking about entering now not sure due these people. League to Dubai doing the right thing and banning them or DQ them.
** really interested in your comment ref LTDubai as me and a mate have entered it this year. How do you mean they have banned him. I entered the trilby tour last year and Tom showed up at 4 diff events and yes overheard him saying his handicap had gone up and was once off 11. How are LTD combating this however it is good to know for sure
** 3 qualifying comps p/a is a joke. CONGU need to sort this and make the number more like 7 or 8.
** I once played a guy in this comp off 17. When I asked why he carried 4 wedges, he said, " I hit that one 87 yards, that one 101, that one 114 and that one 126". We shook hands on 15, losing 4&3.
** Tom Muldoon is a popular name of Mexican origin!!! Met him at Trilby Tour event 4 years ago, his golf must of been crap since then because his 'handicap' is 5 shots higher now!!!!! #banhim
** It's a real shame people do this. I've only good things to say about this completion having qualified in 2011. I suspect the guys who run it will be horrified about the negative comments as they do everything possible to weed out the cheats. I'm certain some rule changes will be in place for next year to counter this but if you put in 3 moody cards in 12 months you are congu legal!
** I had the trip of a lifetime and will enter again for the coming year with our new much LOWER handicaps!
** His home club is in south Ireland but play in the north Ireland Region
** Match play is in on it with him he never return any cards to his club last year
Strong opinions above which must be being read and seen by the organisers and even governing bodies, brings the whole game into disrepute IMO.
NST
Head Pro
So am I right to think if his handicap has increased from 11 to 17, he must have had 60 x 0.1 increases? But at the same time has managed to play well in non qualifying events at the same time.
Potentially anything between 50 & 60 (11.4 - 16.5) but yes, your right, and what is strange is the constant referrals to him only putting in 3 cards a year, if so, that should have taken him over 16 years to go from 11 to 17, but as you state, if he has played lots of qualifiers, how can he play so badly over the last few years to go up 6 shots only to dominate in pairs and single national comps?
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Deleted member 15344
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I thought he was only 11 on the Trilby Tour and that his official club handicap was never that low ?
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Deleted Member 1156
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TT is 3/4 handicap, that could be the reason?
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Deleted member 15344
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I'm guessing the person winning these comps doesn't really care as long as he wins - it's these sort of actions that taint this comps.
Hasn't he also won TT as well ?!
Hasn't he also won TT as well ?!
rickg
Money List Winner
Golfcare have made an official statement on their Facebook page in response to the many comments
"As organisers of the event and having read with interest the comments regarding questionable handicaps we would like to respond to people’s concerns.
In a national competition such as ours, we recognise that the most important thing is to uphold and preserve the integrity of the event. We make strenuous efforts at all stages to ensure the efficacy of the competitors’ handicaps.
Firstly, we do not accept entries from individuals who have previously entered the event and who have been suspected of having an inaccurate handicap.
If we receive complaints throughout the qualifying rounds, we always make contact with the relevant golf club to check the validity of a player’s handicap. If we find irregularities, then the individual is disqualified immediately and banned from entering in future years.
We check and verify all handicaps at the Regional Final stage of the Championship. We do this by checking up to date handicap certificates, asking players to bring along evidence that their handicap was ‘active’ at the time of entering the competition as well as requesting that they provide a handicap record since the start of the Championship that year. For anyone who qualifies for the Grand Final, we then contact their golf club, again to check and verify all handicaps. In certain circumstances, we have gone as far as contacting the golf unions directly where there has been cause for concern.
With over 6,000 entries, it is impossible to police everyone who enters. This is ultimately the responsibility of the players’ golf clubs, golf unions and governing bodies.
We will take on board everyone’s comments and will work with other national golf competitions to share best practice and to help identify any handicapping issues.
At the end of the day, golf is about honesty and integrity. Should any individual who enters the Matchplay Championship decide to circumvent these characteristics, that is a great shame.
Finally, it should be noted that there are actually 40 winners, not just the five that pick up a trophy as the actual prize of our event is an amazing golfing holiday of a lifetime in Dubai."
"As organisers of the event and having read with interest the comments regarding questionable handicaps we would like to respond to people’s concerns.
In a national competition such as ours, we recognise that the most important thing is to uphold and preserve the integrity of the event. We make strenuous efforts at all stages to ensure the efficacy of the competitors’ handicaps.
Firstly, we do not accept entries from individuals who have previously entered the event and who have been suspected of having an inaccurate handicap.
If we receive complaints throughout the qualifying rounds, we always make contact with the relevant golf club to check the validity of a player’s handicap. If we find irregularities, then the individual is disqualified immediately and banned from entering in future years.
We check and verify all handicaps at the Regional Final stage of the Championship. We do this by checking up to date handicap certificates, asking players to bring along evidence that their handicap was ‘active’ at the time of entering the competition as well as requesting that they provide a handicap record since the start of the Championship that year. For anyone who qualifies for the Grand Final, we then contact their golf club, again to check and verify all handicaps. In certain circumstances, we have gone as far as contacting the golf unions directly where there has been cause for concern.
With over 6,000 entries, it is impossible to police everyone who enters. This is ultimately the responsibility of the players’ golf clubs, golf unions and governing bodies.
We will take on board everyone’s comments and will work with other national golf competitions to share best practice and to help identify any handicapping issues.
At the end of the day, golf is about honesty and integrity. Should any individual who enters the Matchplay Championship decide to circumvent these characteristics, that is a great shame.
Finally, it should be noted that there are actually 40 winners, not just the five that pick up a trophy as the actual prize of our event is an amazing golfing holiday of a lifetime in Dubai."
rickg
Money List Winner
Sounds like they did everything except google his name, which would have let them know what everyone else knows.....
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c1973
Guest
Googled him earlier, he sure seems to win a great deal. He should write a book on how to perform when it matters, he definitely peaks when it matters.
On a serious note, does it make the competitive golfers on here think twice about entering these 'big ticket' tournaments?
On a serious note, does it make the competitive golfers on here think twice about entering these 'big ticket' tournaments?
bluewolf
Money List Winner
i won't be entering comps like this precisely because of people like this.
rickg
Money List Winner
Absolutely.....I entered them all last year and this year I haven't entered any....
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As word spreads less and less people will enter these comps forcing the organisers to do something !
bluewolf
Money List Winner
I don't think the organisers will be too bothered unless the Sponsors get involved. Maybe a GM campaign is in order.
chrisd
Major Champion
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Thought he was a member of a club in Ireland somewhere ?
chrisd
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quinn
Q-School Graduate
Played the forest of Arden yesterday and looks like the trilby tour is paying a visit this year, if he gets 40 points round there something's definitely not right.
Is it safe to say something a little counter to a lot of posts here?
I play pretty much every week, and enter every Q comp I can fit in - at least 2 a month.
Nov 38pts, 38pts, 40pts.
Sept 39pts, 38pts (Oct)43pts.
Aug(inc the Cooden trip) 42pts, 37pts, 37pts.
Started August off 6 and finished Oct off 4. It is possible for golfers to go on a good run and post some great scores... I've played pretty much every week for 40+ years, and always aimed to shoot as low as possible. My ambition has always been get the handicap as low as possible, and let the winning take care of itself.
Maybe he's a bandit, but maybe he isn't. A lynch mob might just be an injustice...
I play pretty much every week, and enter every Q comp I can fit in - at least 2 a month.
Nov 38pts, 38pts, 40pts.
Sept 39pts, 38pts (Oct)43pts.
Aug(inc the Cooden trip) 42pts, 37pts, 37pts.
Started August off 6 and finished Oct off 4. It is possible for golfers to go on a good run and post some great scores... I've played pretty much every week for 40+ years, and always aimed to shoot as low as possible. My ambition has always been get the handicap as low as possible, and let the winning take care of itself.
Maybe he's a bandit, but maybe he isn't. A lynch mob might just be an injustice...
