Matchplay Championships @ Forest of Arden

[louise_a]

Playing more qualifiers only works if people always try to play their best, A guy I played in the Nike last season, played in 2 or 3 a week, he raised his handicap by 3 shots in a relatively short period of time.

There needs to be some way of taking the non qualifiers, pairs etc into account.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Playing more qualifiers only works if people always try to play their best, A guy I played in the Nike last season, played in 2 or 3 a week, he raised his handicap by 3 shots in a relatively short period of time.

There needs to be some way of taking the non qualifiers, pairs etc into account.

Always going to be very very hard to adjust HC based on 4BBB

The singles event can be qualifiers bit they are match play

 

[Foxholer]

Three qualifing cards per year to satisfy active HC then on the road picking up the prizes in the Non Q's

Perfect example of the need to increase the amount of qualifiers needed to keep active

Please explain why/how you think this will help!

 

[Qwerty]

whats wrong with making all these events Qualifying?

I can't see any reason not too.

Cut them after every round and if if required hit them with an ESR.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I can't see any reason not too.

Cut them after every round and if if required hit them with an ESR.

Most of them are pairs and matchplay - how can you cut from it ?

Edit: Apologies didn't mean for it to sound so blunt

 

[Qwerty]

Most of them are pairs and matchplay - how can you cut from it ?

Edit: Apologies didn't mean for it to sound so blunt

True. You can't can you. Well not officially anyway.

Did someone mention he had 6 birdies in 9 holes off 17. I don't know if Gross or nett.

Who would be responsible for keeping an eye on these Events? EGU?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

True. You can't can you. Well not officially anyway.

Did someone mention he had 6 birdies in 9 holes off 17. I don't know if Gross or nett.

Who would be responsible for keeping an eye on these Events? EGU?

His own club I guess

When ever I do a HC review I find out about any comps like this and will then adjust if they have done well

 

[Duckster]

Doesn't the R&A limit what an Amateur golfer can win to being £500 in any one competition? If so, then a holiday to Dubai or the like is way over that.

If it is over £500, then you can take the prize but then have to class yourself as a pro. Problem solved.

 

[patricks148]

I can't see any reason not too.

Cut them after every round and if if required hit them with an ESR.

just read though and the knock out stages are indeed match play, but it looks like the finals are all stableford... which seems a strange final for what is supposed to be a knock out even.

I noticed someone mentioned that golf is a game of integrity...... so what do you do when you get people who have none start these shenanigans?

 

[Jates12]

Doesn't the R&A limit what an Amateur golfer can win to being £500 in any one competition? If so, then a holiday to Dubai or the like is way over that.

If it is over £500, then you can take the prize but then have to class yourself as a pro. Problem solved.

I would assume that its a cash prize of £500. Not value. Otherwise these competitions wouldnt be allowed by the EGU to be classed as Am comps.

 

[Region3]

A bit ham fisted maybe, and not really addressing the true issue, but an easy way round it would be to have a condition of entry like "nobody who has reached the finals in the last 5 years is allowed to enter".

Wouldn't put me off entering knowing that if I won a free week golfing in Turkey or Dubai I wouldn't get in again for a while.

 

[Jates12]

A bit ham fisted maybe, and not really addressing the true issue, but an easy way round it would be to have a condition of entry like "nobody who has reached the finals in the last 5 years is allowed to enter".

Wouldn't put me off entering knowing that if I won a free week golfing in Turkey or Dubai I wouldn't get in again for a while.

Wouldnt people want to defend their title though?

 

[Duckster]

I would assume that its a cash prize of £500. Not value. Otherwise these competitions wouldnt be allowed by the EGU to be classed as Am comps.

http://www.randa.org/en/RandA/News/News/2012/January/Amateur-Prizes.aspx

"Prize Limit

An amateur golfer may accept a prize or prize voucher of retail value no greater than £500"

I read that as if it's worth more than £500 then it's not acceptable.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Doesn't the R&A limit what an Amateur golfer can win to being £500 in any one competition? If so, then a holiday to Dubai or the like is way over that.

If it is over £500, then you can take the prize but then have to class yourself as a pro. Problem solved.

They will find a way to suggest the prizes are worth less than that etc

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A bit ham fisted maybe, and not really addressing the true issue, but an easy way round it would be to have a condition of entry like "nobody who has reached the finals in the last 5 years is allowed to enter".

Wouldn't put me off entering knowing that if I won a free week golfing in Turkey or Dubai I wouldn't get in again for a while.

Again a good idea and would IMO reduce the professional prize hunters but the organisers know some won't enter it which then reduces their profit

 

[Duckster]

They will find a way to suggest the prizes are worth less than that etc

Just looked into it - there's an exception (there always is.....). 4-2g which allows:

"Rule 4-2g permits an amateur golfer to accept expenses, not exceeding those actually incurred, to take
part in a handicap individual or handicap team event, provided the event has received the necessary
annual approval. "

There's quite a bit more, but so long as they have approval before running the comp, then the holiday prize can be granted.

http://www.randa.org/en/RandA/News/...ts/2011/2012Rules2/RevisedDecisionsMinor.ashx

 

[Norrin Radd]

£500 isnt a lot is it ,im an angler first golfer second ,and there are no proffessional anglers other than a very small number who are sponsored by the tackle companys,,we can fish for prizes that are way beyond what you would think .
try £50,000 for winning a competition ,or £30.000 for another ,these guys that have won these comps are not pro`s they all have normal jobs and are classed as amateurs.
so why only £500 for golf?

 

[Cheifi0]

£500 isnt a lot is it ,im an angler first golfer second ,and there are no proffessional anglers other than a very small number who are sponsored by the tackle companys,,we can fish for prizes that are way beyond what you would think .
try £50,000 for winning a competition ,or £30.000 for another ,these guys that have won these comps are not pro`s they all have normal jobs and are classed as amateurs.
so why only £500 for golf?

I think it's mainly because they are handicapped competitions and your handicap is essentially self policed and there is a lot of scope for manipulating the system, as has been shown by this thread. Bigger prizes means it's more likely people will be tempted to cheat. This could also be done by cheating on the course in an actual event.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

http://www.randa.org/en/RandA/News/News/2012/January/Amateur-Prizes.aspx

"Prize Limit

An amateur golfer may accept a prize or prize voucher of retail value no greater than £500"

I read that as if it's worth more than £500 then it's not acceptable.

Maybe they get round it by hosting the finals abroad which technically isn't a prize, it's just an expenses paid trip to the venue. What does the actual winner get?

EDIT: just seen post #196

 

[Smiffy]

An easy way round it would be to have a condition of entry like "nobody who has reached the finals in the last 5 years is allowed to enter".

A much easier way round it is to have anybody who comes in with 40 points kneecapped.