I have to say (please look away if easily shocked) that I agree with Pants. Once the advice is offered, there is no requirement for B to accept or act on it other than to claim the hole
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viscount17
Money List Winner
over to the maestro I think.
Jezz are you out there?
Jezz are you out there?
ShriekingSheet
Hacker
Hang on a minute - only one thing needs to be clarified! Viscount, was it a misprint in your OP where you said the hole should be "halved"? Did you mean "lost"? Because, as Pants' reply said, it is loss of hole.
Advice wasn't sought in the scenario.
Advice wasn't sought in the scenario.
viscount17
Money List Winner
I don't think so, it should be a straight copy of the Quiz for that Rule (in the active version, which I now can't get as they just installed a new PC at work and, I think, added a load of blocks).
If anyone can check that it is/isn't a typo?
must admit I didn't spot that as an issue just wasn't aware of the advice.
If anyone can check that it is/isn't a typo?
must admit I didn't spot that as an issue just wasn't aware of the advice.
Pants
Challenge Tour Pro
I've checked the on-line R and A rules and the answer to their quiz question on this is definitely "hole halved".
Unfortunately they don't give "chapter and verse" to their answers and I can't find anything in the rule book to support that answer. I still think it is hole lost for the player who offered the advice.
Might have to take it up with head office if we can't get a definitive ruling.
Unfortunately they don't give "chapter and verse" to their answers and I can't find anything in the rule book to support that answer. I still think it is hole lost for the player who offered the advice.
Might have to take it up with head office if we can't get a definitive ruling.
SammmeBee
Journeyman Pro
Rule 2-2 Halved Hole
A hole is halved if each side holes out in the same number of strokes.
When a player has holed out and his opponent has been left with a stroke for the half, if the player subsequently incurs a penalty, the hole is halved.
A hole is halved if each side holes out in the same number of strokes.
When a player has holed out and his opponent has been left with a stroke for the half, if the player subsequently incurs a penalty, the hole is halved.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Sure you're right but it makes a mockery of the "loss of hole" penalty in matchplay doesn't it.
Most, if not all, penalties in Matchplay incur loss of hole - so once I've holed out I can break rules and not lose the hole.
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Most, if not all, penalties in Matchplay incur loss of hole - so once I've holed out I can break rules and not lose the hole.
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DCB
Well-known member
Still think we need JessE to give an explanation. I can't work it out to get the result given. 
Right,forgive me as I have read this twice quickly but what is the rule that has been infringed?
DCB
Well-known member
Sammeebe has hit the nail on the head.
Rule 2-2 right enough.
Still confused though
Rule 2-2 right enough.
Still confused though
anyone? what is the penalty for?
DCB
Well-known member
Dodger,
"The following is an example of the application of the second paragraph of Rule 2-2:
In a match, A has holed out. As B, A's opponent, is preparing to putt for a half, A gives B advice as to his line of putt. A would normally lose the hole for a breach of Rule 8-1, but Rule 2-2 becomes operative in these circumstances and the hole is halved."
Clear as mud
"The following is an example of the application of the second paragraph of Rule 2-2:
In a match, A has holed out. As B, A's opponent, is preparing to putt for a half, A gives B advice as to his line of putt. A would normally lose the hole for a breach of Rule 8-1, but Rule 2-2 becomes operative in these circumstances and the hole is halved."
Clear as mud
Right so I must have 'lost' or 'halved' a hell of a lot of holes in my time then...??
Over the course of the last 20 years I have, on average of say 6 times a season played at Goswick in the scratch league and when playing my opponent who either hasn't played Goswick or at least not for a couple of years,given him lines off the tee etc.......
Over the course of the last 20 years I have, on average of say 6 times a season played at Goswick in the scratch league and when playing my opponent who either hasn't played Goswick or at least not for a couple of years,given him lines off the tee etc.......
Pants
Challenge Tour Pro
Right so I must have 'lost' or 'halved' a hell of a lot of holes in my time then...??
Over the course of the last 20 years I have, on average of say 6 times a season played at Goswick in the scratch league and when playing my opponent who either hasn't played Goswick or at least not for a couple of years,given him lines off the tee etc.......
Hmmmm...
"Advice" is any counsel or suggestion that could influence a player in determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.
Information on the Rules, distance or matters of public information, such as the position of hazards or the flagstick on the putting green, is not advice.
Right so what is 'your line is' or 'the bunker you can see is reachable tonight with this wind'??
Pile of pish, I have always given and likewise taken said advice.
Pile of pish, I have always given and likewise taken said advice.
Pants
Challenge Tour Pro
Well done Sammerbee. Rule 2-2. I hadn't twigged on that one. I suppose the crux of the matter is that as Player A had already finished the hole and was in a position where he couldn't lose it, he couldn't then be penalised by loss of hole for a breach of rules.
For those (remotely) interested and haven't looked it up...
The following is an example of the application of the second paragraph of Rule 2-2:
In a match, A has holed out. As B, A's opponent, is preparing to putt for a half, A gives B advice as to his line of putt. A would normally lose the hole for a breach of Rule 8-1, but Rule 2-2 becomes operative in these circumstances and the hole is halved.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Right so I must have 'lost' or 'halved' a hell of a lot of holes in my time then...??
Over the course of the last 20 years I have, on average of say 6 times a season played at Goswick in the scratch league and when playing my opponent who either hasn't played Goswick or at least not for a couple of years,given him lines off the tee etc.......
Dodger: You're fine in pointing out a line from a tee. Rule 8.2(a) permits having a line pointed out by anyone as long as it's not on the green. It's when on a green that 8.2(b) restricts the line to being given by only your own "team" ie your caddy or partner etc.
viscount17
Money List Winner
SammmeBee, well done thanks.
I think this is almost a record for the time it's taken to find a ruling. Unless of course, you know different . . .
I think this is almost a record for the time it's taken to find a ruling. Unless of course, you know different . . .
ShriekingSheet
Hacker
Wow, great trivia. I never would have got that. I was sure "halved" was a misprint!!
Right so I must have 'lost' or 'halved' a hell of a lot of holes in my time then...??
Over the course of the last 20 years I have, on average of say 6 times a season played at Goswick in the scratch league and when playing my opponent who either hasn't played Goswick or at least not for a couple of years,given him lines off the tee etc.......
Dodger: You're fine in pointing out a line from a tee. Rule 8.2(a) permits having a line pointed out by anyone as long as it's not on the green. It's when on a green that 8.2(b) restricts the line to being given by only your own "team" ie your caddy or partner etc.
I havn't read the rule and cant be arsed to so I'll 'ask the experts'.....what about me saying 'there is a ditch at 250 that with todays breeze you can reach no bother' or 'the bunker is reachable with driver'??
Surely that is what Pants says I cannot do?What is the difference between that and a line of a putt? Nowt...
If so I am afraid I will continue to be curteous and point these out to my opponents til someone claims a hole off me!
