Masters tradition.

[Tongo]

YES!



NO!

The Open being played on a links course is it's USP and that should never change. It is a different challenge and requires different skills to other tournaments and tests the players in a different way. Moving it to an inland course would reduce it to just another tournament.

Yeah, that kind of underlines my point. The Masters traditions are part of its USP but there seems to be a desire to question everything.

 

[Hobbit]

It was intended to be a serious point. I do actually go and spectate at a few golf tournaments a year, as opposed to watching on TV, and it can often be difficult to tell who is who!

Many golfers don't seem to shave during a tournament, or even at all (e.g. Shane Lowry). They often look more scruffy than their caddies as a result!

My response was in jest Delc. I too go to tournaments, but I don't expect to recognise players from 200yds. Some of the lesser lights I wouldn't recognise from 20yds if the name wasn't on the bag.

 

[3565]

There are not always scoreboard carriers with every group. With the possible exception of Robert Rock, they all wear baseball caps, which makes it difficult to see their faces. Some players such as the late Payne Stewart or Christina Kim were/are instantly recognisable on the course, but most of them are not!

In 96 I went to The Open at Lytham on the practise day and we were walking up the 18th and saw this player in a polo and trousers with his caddy walking down the fairway and we were saying who's that and we were no more then 40ft from him and took me a few moments to register who. It was Payne Stewart..

Without his his plus fours and flat cap, you'd walk right past him.

 

[Sats]

Why not. It's done every year and so Spieth knew sooner or later he'd have to hand a jacket over. It's a unique part of the Augusta Masters and every player I've seen do it have done so with grace and humility

Precisely, furthermore it was his own undoing that lost him the lead - nothing else, no scandals, just he didn't produce the goods. Tough but swallow it up son.

 

[USER1999]

I normally recognise players by their posture, swing, body language, endorsements, clothing, etc. The few I don't recognise, I'm not fussed about.

When I watch arsenal, I know the players from how they run, I don't need to see a number on the shirt.

 

[Crawfy]

So who puts the jacket on the winner if he retains his title the following year...Ol Billy Payne?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So who puts the jacket on the winner if he retains his title the following year...Ol Billy Payne?

That's who they said did it when they were talking about it during the round

 

[freddielong]

They have to put in on him twice once in the cabin for the tv and once at the presentation.

 

[drdel]

Because you have a small list on repeat over the month - you ask nothing new and it's always something been asked previously

As a relative novice to the Forum I have noticed that, in my opinion, you do seem to always take on the 'attack' mode with Delc's comments which he's perfectly entitled to make and I find interesting points for discussion.

I'd defend your right to reply but perhaps politeness might be in order.

Often I read your comments and decide not to post in preference to causing 'ping pong' flood of posts.

To the subject in hand. I'm fine with the green jacket hand-over but I believe have participants in a sporting event dressed in boilers suits is just plain daft.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As a relative novice to the Forum I have noticed that, in my opinion, you do seem to always take on the 'attack' mode with Delc's comments which he's perfectly entitled to make and I find interesting points for discussion.

I'd defend your right to reply but perhaps politeness might be in order.

Often I read your comments and decide not to post in preference to causing 'ping pong' flood of posts.

To the subject in hand. I'm fine with the green jacket hand-over but I believe have participants in a sporting event dressed in boilers suits is just plain daft.

Not ever thrown any insults towards Delc but it does get frustrating when for the 10th time of the year the thread about - hole size or yips or jacked lofts is started again. Understand it's something that helped with the downfall of HDID forum but fully intend on ignoring both subjects or indeed any of the ones that are on repeat. But certainly never intended to be impolite

 

[TheJezster]

Take this in the spirit it's meant Phil, but the same can be labelled of you, you quite often simply do not give up forcing your opinion across and it can become quite tiresome. Perhaps think about how else to respond? Rather than going on the defence you could have said something along the lines of "fair point I'll take that on board and see if I can change it" sometimes that's all that's needed. Ask yourself what you could do differently. You might be pleasantly surprised with people's reactions if you put it in play long term

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Take this in the spirit it's meant Phil, but the same can be labelled of you, you quite often simply do not give up forcing your opinion across and it can become quite tiresome. Perhaps think about how else to respond? Rather than going on the defence you could have said something along the lines of "fair point I'll take that on board and see if I can change it" sometimes that's all that's needed. Ask yourself what you could do differently. You might be pleasantly surprised with people's reactions if you put it in play long term

No problems and it is a fair point :thup:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Precisely, furthermore it was his own undoing that lost him the lead - nothing else, no scandals, just he didn't produce the goods. Tough but swallow it up son.

Indeed. Many struggled on nine and ten so those bogies weren't unexpected but no-one will quite understand what happened on 12, certainly not Spieth. Hard to watch (although great for those wanting a Brit/European winner) but what strength to get the birdies and still be fighting all the way to the 71st hole and what grace and humility in defeat

 

[SteveJay]

I certainly didn't find Speech's meltdown "Hard to watch", I was whoop whooping at the TV knowing that (a) the finale was gonna be infinitely more exciting now and (b) there was a real chance of an English win.

Do find it odd that some of us seem to have unreserved sympathy when any pro struggles (like Speith or Els did) unlike in most other sports where loyalty or patriotism sees a cock up by opponents cheered, Is that because we also play the game, albeit that standards couldn't be further apart.

I played football to a good standard, but if a Frenchman slips in the Euros in a few months, gifting us a goal, or an Aussie cricketer gets run out in the Ashes going for the winning run (probably dreaming on both counts I know!) I will not find that "hard to watch", perhaps thats just me! Does the unbiased sympathy for golf pros extend to the Ryder Cup....I for one love it if a yank misses a short putt or drives into the trees

 

[delc]

Probably a different and likely huge thread but in my eyes no. They always look so grim. I get that we need to be different to US style courses but surely we can do better than another links course year after year.

Back to Delcs point. Test match cricket manages without names and they are all in white. Players have styles that mark them out, sponsors branding pins them down a little further. No harm in your point but I don't see it as necessary.

50 over and 20/20 cricket is played in national colours and players do have numbers on their clothing.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I certainly didn't find Speech's meltdown "Hard to watch", I was whoop whooping at the TV knowing that (a) the finale was gonna be infinitely more exciting now and (b) there was a real chance of an English win.

Do find it odd that some of us seem to have unreserved sympathy when any pro struggles (like Speith or Els did) unlike in most other sports where loyalty or patriotism sees a cock up by opponents cheered, Is that because we also play the game, albeit that standards couldn't be further apart.

I played football to a good standard, but if a Frenchman slips in the Euros in a few months, gifting us a goal, or an Aussie cricketer gets run out in the Ashes going for the winning run (probably dreaming on both counts I know!) I will not find that "hard to watch", perhaps thats just me! Does the unbiased sympathy for golf pros extend to the Ryder Cup....I for one love it if a yank misses a short putt or drives into the trees

I get your point and if Bale scores an own goal against England I'll be cheering as loudly as the next man. I do think there's a kind of inner respect though with golf knowing we've all messed up like that or worse. Again like you I was delighted to see it give everyone else a go and while I wanted Westwood personally I was delighted to see Danny boy close it out in such a mature manner

 

[user2010]

Not ever thrown any insults towards Delc but it does get frustrating when for the 10th time of the year the thread about - hole size or yips or jacked lofts is started again. Understand it's something that helped with the downfall of HDID forum but fully intend on ignoring both subjects or indeed any of the ones that are on repeat. But certainly never intended to be impolite

Or you could put him on your ignore list, like many on here have done with you!

 

[patricks148]

YES!



NO!

The Open being played on a links course is it's USP and that should never change. It is a different challenge and requires different skills to other tournaments and tests the players in a different way. Moving it to an inland course would reduce it to just another tournament.

This, the Open should be a links.... full stop.

its almost the only time you see pro golfers playing the purest form of the game. you get the SO and the odd one on the IO.

I like to see something different which the open gives, unlike the other 50 weeks of the year on a parkland course.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

50 over and 20/20 cricket is played in national colours and players do have numbers on their clothing.

Yes, which is why I specifically mentioned Tests. The coloured clothing for one day cricket came in for marketing purposes, not to identify players. Cricket wants a piece of the football shirt action and it also glamourises the matches for tv.

 

[Crazyface]

I quite like that a past champion gets the honour of welcoming a new member to the club, much better than a committee man doing it (as I guess is what happens to a 'run of the mill' new member)

I don't mind caddies having a uniform/dress code, what seems lunacy is that in what's probably the most manicured course & event in the world the boiler suits are so ill fitting and appear impractical for the conditions/temperatures. After all the greens staff (perhaps doing a task more suited to an overall) all wear green polo's with beige chino's

Don't see why caddies couldn't wear something along these lines as a uniform

THIS. With knobs on.

All would be supplied free of charge by whichever manufacturer won the contract to supply. Cost to Augusta NOWT. Improvement in stature IMMENSE !