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Wow what a thread. Read this from start to finish and some sound advice and some drivel posted. All I will say is that get as many qualifications behind you as you can in whatever area you want to work in. I do not buy this start at the bottom and work your way up myth that is branded around, I started at a company fairly low down the ladder and left to retrain many years later have a guess where I was on the ladder? yep exactly where I started all most companies do is set people on more qualified than you above you and you get nowhere trust me apart from mucked on and basically treat like garbage. While you are still at home get a part time job and get some more qualifications so when you get into employment you start a decent way up the chain.
 
Hacker Khan said:
What, me calling golfers antiquated UKIP members and Daily mail readers odd? That's not odd, it's my stock in trade response to most subjects. And reading the guff in a couple of replies since I stand by it ;)
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So if I suggested you were a Yogurt knitting, Guardian reading, young oddball communist, would you consider I was also entitled to an opinion? Not that I would be so crass to suggest such a thing though ;)
 
SocketRocket said:
So if I suggested you were a Yogurt knitting, Guardian reading, young oddball communist, would you consider I was also entitled to an opinion? Not that I would be so crass to suggest such a thing though ;)
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You know the strange thing, I actually read The Times, a right wing paper. There's nowt so queer as folk. And as for being young then again I take issue with that, chance would be a fine thing. But I do quite fancy being a commie after watching The Americans on ITV as they can't seem to keep their pants on:o
 
In_The_Rough said:
Wow what a thread. Read this from start to finish and some sound advice and some drivel posted. All I will say is that get as many qualifications behind you as you can in whatever area you want to work in. I do not buy this start at the bottom and work your way up myth that is branded around, I started at a company fairly low down the ladder and left to retrain many years later have a guess where I was on the ladder? yep exactly where I started all most companies do is set people on more qualified than you above you and you get nowhere trust me apart from mucked on and basically treat like garbage. While you are still at home get a part time job and get some more qualifications so when you get into employment you start a decent way up the chain.
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Isn't it just! Didn't realise it would get this kind of response. Some very fair points made throughout though.
Sound advice, cheers man.
 
In_The_Rough said:
Wow what a thread. Read this from start to finish and some sound advice and some drivel posted. All I will say is that get as many qualifications behind you as you can in whatever area you want to work in. I do not buy this start at the bottom and work your way up myth that is branded around, I started at a company fairly low down the ladder and left to retrain many years later have a guess where I was on the ladder? yep exactly where I started all most companies do is set people on more qualified than you above you and you get nowhere trust me apart from mucked on and basically treat like garbage. While you are still at home get a part time job and get some more qualifications so when you get into employment you start a decent way up the chain.
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Never have I worked anywhere where the recruitment policy would favour a piece of paper qualification to out and out experience. If I had to choose between your success in the theory versus someone with practical success experience, as a manager guess who I'd choose.
I'm currently managing three people with degrees in various things, one went for the same job as me but I had 4 years experience and a Lean Analyst where he didn't, he didn't stand a chance.

You are right about the PT job though but sadly the OP's posts seem to indicate that just any job won't do.
He's right about one thing, times have changed. Unemployment is NOW at an all time high, volume of available jobs is at an all time low meaning that competition for jobs is at an all time high, this means that the approach in IMO bonkers.
I'm not being harsh before Mr 3 posts jumps on me, I'm being a realist and nothing to do with golf.
Life is hard, no one will give you anything and the sooner today's youth figure this out and get on with it the better.
 
GreiginFife said:
Never have I worked anywhere where the recruitment policy would favour a piece of paper qualification to out and out experience. If I had to choose between your success in the theory versus someone with practical success experience, as a manager guess who I'd choose.
I'm currently managing three people with degrees in various things, one went for the same job as me but I had 4 years experience and a Lean Analyst where he didn't, he didn't stand a chance.

You are right about the PT job though but sadly the OP's posts seem to indicate that just any job won't do.
He's right about one thing, times have changed. Unemployment is NOW at an all time high, volume of available jobs is at an all time low meaning that competition for jobs is at an all time high, this means that the approach in IMO bonkers.
I'm not being harsh before Mr 3 posts jumps on me, I'm being a realist and nothing to do with golf.
Life is hard, no one will give you anything and the sooner today's youth figure this out and get on with it the better.
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You must be lucky then. Someone who has been at a company a few years learning the trade but has little or few formal qualifications applies for a job at the same company against people with Degrees will in my experience not stand a chance. Make no mistake as well by having people with Degrees working under you then first opportunity they will leave to be a gaffer somewhere else, they never stick around and loyalty in todays jobs market by both employer and employee has gone it is simply non existent. I know a chap who is 36 who has a Degree in Business and Finance and has had 14 different jobs. Guess why he left each job? Pay and Position of power. He stuck around 2 months in his first job and 5 in his second and on it goes. Not the way it should be and cases like yours are a dying breed I reckon and it will get worse as the market gets tougher as companies will cherry pick employees from the most qualified and those who know somebody such as the MD's sisters nephew etc
 
I just love this thread, from an individual who wants not any job but a specific job fair enough but to sit about and not work because the job you love is not falling into your lap what a joke. Get your finger out your brown box and get grafting. If your family stopped making it easy for you to sit on your bahookie then you would have no choice but like the rest of us to go out and get any job. To give you the satisfaction that the money in your sky rocket has been made by you and not a handout by family or government. As a Union rep I am proud that the members I represent come from all walks of life and backgrounds with a range from leaving school with no grades to Uni educated, and that many years ago the benefit system (GREAT THING) was created for all of us who fall on hard times and should never EVER be used as a choice of lifestyle.
 
GreiginFife said:
Never have I worked anywhere where the recruitment policy would favour a piece of paper qualification to out and out experience. If I had to choose between your success in the theory versus someone with practical success experience, as a manager guess who I'd choose.
I'm currently managing three people with degrees in various things, one went for the same job as me but I had 4 years experience and a Lean Analyst where he didn't, he didn't stand a chance.

You are right about the PT job though but sadly the OP's posts seem to indicate that just any job won't do.
He's right about one thing, times have changed. Unemployment is NOW at an all time high, volume of available jobs is at an all time low meaning that competition for jobs is at an all time high, this means that the approach in IMO bonkers.
I'm not being harsh before Mr 3 posts jumps on me, I'm being a realist and nothing to do with golf.
Life is hard, no one will give you anything and the sooner today's youth figure this out and get on with it the better.
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Bang on the money (even though you didn't sell me the trolley and bag...:)).

I stopped contributing to this thread after wasting 15 minutes of my life responding only to read the OP's naive outlook and persistent ignorance of the vast majority of responses he got...following his very own questions and queries, simply because they didn't meet the criteria of response he'd hoped for.

But I couldn't resist, so....lets make this a 200 post thread shall we and see if Mr 4 (or 5 now) Post reports me too for sharing a reasonably well written but down to earth response.

In the Rough, isn't telling the OP to get a part-time job (doing whatever I presume) basically the same as what he's been advised by the majority? The OP stated he didn't have the 9k to fund a degree, which is fair enough. So, he could get a full-time job (doing whatever) and study for qualifications with said wage and still have 3/4k per annum to play with, couldn't he? After all, many adults with families to run do this to get the job they desire, don't they? Aside from this mysterious ideal job (at 18, lol) what's stopping him from doing this. Let me tell you, its called DESIRE. Funding cannot be an excuse as he's stated he's fortunate enough to have an understanding family so his dead end job would have to fund it, wouldn't it? Otherwise, where's the progression? The OP has no need to respond, as he already has, we all know the answer...

He's 18, young yes, but I bet he doesn't stand at the top of the stairs shouting 'finished' when he needs you know what...;)

And to the poster who talked about volunteer work, citing your age and salary would have been of great interest (not in £, just whether you got one). Why advise him about Kickz when he wants fitness or golf? When did he say football? In my experience, Kickz is coached by good people but there's some right not-rights on the courses themselves (please don't twist that). Why say that this will get him skills etc to POTENTIALLY get him a job but refute the fact that work experience and a wage won't get him anywhere nearer his desired goal? He's 18. That doesn't make him a lost cause for gods sake. Personally, i'd take it as an insult being recommended the Kickz course, especially when writing reasonably well, and posting on a golf forum! Sorry but your determination to recruit a volunteer in my opinion is for the wrong reasons aside from egotistical ones and will be of detriment to the poster, but who am I eh. Either way, he won't volunteer as he CBA'd. Again, he has no need to respond, he already has.

However, instead of offering some opportunities of volunteer work (which couldn't have been be hard to find anyway) why not offer some of that fat budget of yours/your bosses and give the lad a job...as a trainee volunteer logistics operative...

I find those taken in by the OP's posts to be in need of a reality check and given the majority of responses am convinced my sanity and view on reality is still in check whilst theirs is blinkered to say the least. The OP needs a reality check and perhaps he'll have got one in the many other forums that he's undoubtedly sought attention in, as well as this one, although ignorance is bliss. It was to me when I was 14. Not 18.

Now, any one fancy a round with me :D.
 
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In the Rough, isn't telling the OP to get a part-time job (doing whatever I presume) basically the same as what he's been advised by the majority? The OP stated he didn't have the 9k to fund a degree, which is fair enough. So, he could get a full-time job (doing whatever) and study for qualifications with said wage and still have 3/4k per annum to play with, couldn't he? After all, many adults with families to run do this to get the job they desire, don't they? Aside from this mysterious ideal job (at 18, lol) what's stopping him from doing this. Let me tell you, its called DESIRE. Funding cannot be an excuse as he's stated he's fortunate enough to have an understanding family so his dead end job would have to fund it, wouldn't it? Otherwise, where's the progression? The OP has no need to respond, as he already has, we all know the answer...

The lad is 18 with I presume no family ties Kids/Wife etc so if he wants to get more qualifications go to college/uni on a full time course and give yourself some spare time to do your work/ study and get some part time work to help pay your tuition fees. Where is the harm in trying to get a job in which you actually enjoy doing or want to do. To many people go through the motions of a dead end boring no hope job and I see no harm in trying to avoid getting into that trap. I agree the desire has to be there but if your working in an industry you could not care two hoots about then the desire will not be there, I know I had over 10 years in a job I hated and vowed never to be in that position again. I will pass on the round by the way:D
 
In_The_Rough said:
In the Rough, isn't telling the OP to get a part-time job (doing whatever I presume) basically the same as what he's been advised by the majority? The OP stated he didn't have the 9k to fund a degree, which is fair enough. So, he could get a full-time job (doing whatever) and study for qualifications with said wage and still have 3/4k per annum to play with, couldn't he? After all, many adults with families to run do this to get the job they desire, don't they? Aside from this mysterious ideal job (at 18, lol) what's stopping him from doing this. Let me tell you, its called DESIRE. Funding cannot be an excuse as he's stated he's fortunate enough to have an understanding family so his dead end job would have to fund it, wouldn't it? Otherwise, where's the progression? The OP has no need to respond, as he already has, we all know the answer...

The lad is 18 with I presume no family ties Kids/Wife etc so if he wants to get more qualifications go to college/uni on a full time course and give yourself some spare time to do your work/ study and get some part time work to help pay your tuition fees. Where is the harm in trying to get a job in which you actually enjoy doing or want to do. To many people go through the motions of a dead end boring no hope job and I see no harm in trying to avoid getting into that trap. I agree the desire has to be there but if your working in an industry you could not care two hoots about then the desire will not be there, I know I had over 10 years in a job I hated and vowed never to be in that position again. I will pass on the round by the way:D
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Someone who actually gets where I'm coming from. :thup:
 
sydney greenstreet said:
Still up ? maybe you should get to bed so you can get up early and ride into town on a Unicorn to see if that perfect job is open yet. :p
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Love to see how you'd react if you'd met me, certainly wouldn't be this internet sarcasm. I somehow feel you'd be taken back by me and have a lot more respect. Clear pattern in this forum, the younger repliers are all getting me and backing me up, the older lot who have said themselves they hate their jobs seem bitter. My opinion.
 
JackBrocklehurst said:
Someone who actually gets where I'm coming from. :thup:
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So now you want the part-time job that helps to fund your full-time career aspirations by way of education to be the ideal part-time job, too?

Or not.

You haven't a clue where you're coming from yourself, never mind anyone else!

In that case, good luck getting your ideal, non dead-end part-time job that will fund your full-time education that will then get you the results you require to potentially get the ideal full-time job that you got on a part-time basis in the first place, whilst amassing the experience at the same time...

Hope that makes it a little clearer.
 
JackBrocklehurst said:
Love to see how you'd react if you'd met me, certainly wouldn't be this internet sarcasm. I somehow feel you'd be taken back by me and have a lot more respect. Clear pattern in this forum, the younger repliers are all getting me and backing me up, the older lot who have said themselves they hate their jobs seem bitter. My opinion.
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You are Probably a sound guy, still does not take away that you are not prepared to work to get somewhere.(ie waiting for that job)
 
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