Less than 20 scores

[jim8flog]

There was directive/flow chart from CONGU or England Golf saying that a player with less than 20 scores on their record should not have their handicap adjusted until there are 20.

Does any body have a link to this.

 

[Swango1980]

In the main WHS manual, 7.1a(ii) includes "if fewer than 20 scores are recorded on a player's scoring record, the adjustment is applied to all Score Differentials.". So, this would imply that is it possible to make an adjustment.

I couldn't find anything in Appendix D related to your comment, nor in the supplementary guidance issued by CONGU.

So, I too would be interested if there is anything else out there. I'd have hoped it would be contained in either the main WHS document or the CONGU supporting document. Otherwise, I'd be starting to lose track of where all the other bits and pieces of info are located, whether there be documents, info on websites or e-mails floating about.

 

[Colin L]

There was directive/flow chart from CONGU or England Golf saying that a player with less than 20 scores on their record should not have their handicap adjusted until there are 20.

Does any body have a link to this.

I think, but would need to check, that this was specific to the transition period and new handicap indexes which were based on fewer than 20 rounds.

 

[wjemather]

There was directive/flow chart from CONGU or England Golf saying that a player with less than 20 scores on their record should not have their handicap adjusted until there are 20.

Does any body have a link to this.

I know the logic flow diagram you mean - had all sorts of scenarios with all but one (20 counting scores) eventually directing to "no adjustment, advise player to put more scores in, WHS will do it's thing". I think it was part of one of the handicap committee FAQs/guides but I can't find it anywhere - I'll keep looking.

 

[rulefan]

I think, but would need to check, that this was specific to the transition period and new handicap indexes which were based on fewer than 20 rounds.

That is what I understood.

 

[jim8flog]

I think, but would need to check, that this was specific to the transition period and new handicap indexes which were based on fewer than 20 rounds.

That is what I understood.

It would be interesting to see if the transition period is actually defined given that there was only one month of play from the date of roll out for many of us.

 

[jim8flog]

I just had a eureka moment and remembered I have copy downloaded.

It is a bit vague about how long to use it

Use this flow diagram to help decide if a
player’s handicap index is acceptable after
the transition process.

 

[Colin L]

How long would depend on what the handicap committees decided to do. I'd say. Some might check everyone's Handicap Index whereas with over 700 playing members there was no way I would be doing that. It took me about 10 weeks to deal with the problems encountered by the nearly 70 of them who themselves had discovered an issue.

 

[jim8flog]

How long would depend on what the handicap committees decided to do. I'd say. Some might check everyone's Handicap Index whereas with over 700 playing members there was no way I would be doing that. It took me about 10 weeks to deal with the problems encountered by the nearly 70 of them who themselves had discovered an issue.

What I had more in mind was requested handicap reviews and our response to those with less than 20 scores on their record. We previously have requested that a player has a least 7 in the current year (which seemed like a good number to pluck from the air).

 

[mikejohnchapman]

That is what I understood.

We did adjust a small number of HIs through transition where the odd round had skewed the calculation and to take account of Exceptional Score Adjustments made just prior to transition..

It certainly applied the adjustment to existing scores but not subsequent ones.

Have not touched them since.

 

[harpo_72]

Surely a bit pragmatism would be to get a few qualifiers on the calendar and encourage those who want a handicap to play. Then let the system do it’s business

 

[bunkerblaster]

The CONGU to WHS Transition flow chart essentially states accept the Handicap Index calculated, and play more rounds of golf for handicapping purposes to obtain an up to date handicap index which will better reflect your current ability. We have only had one handicap qualifier so far and given the length of lockdown periods a lot of rounds are 18 months to 2 years old. I have advised our lot we simply have to get on with playing as many handicapping rounds as possible in the next two months and see where we are. Some players will take longer to find form and fitness than others, a number of players do not even have 20 rounds recorded. I think I would be looking to review handicaps at the end of May

 

[DickInShorts]

Perhaps your players should be encouraged to put General Play scores in

 

[bunkerblaster]

Thanks, Yes we are doing that, we may get two rounds per week on the system that way. This Friday we have a Greensome Comp. not authorised for handicapping so some players have opted out for a General Play round instead. Which is a shame as Greensome pairs is a fun format.

 

[Colin L]

Thanks, Yes we are doing that, we may get two rounds per week on the system that way. This Friday we have a Greensome Comp. not authorised for handicapping so some players have opted out for a General Play round instead. Which is a shame as Greensome pairs is a fun format.

If members are opting out of a fun competition in favour of getting in a General Play score, they seem me to be getting the balance wrong. Are there actually any of your members whose Handicap Index is so out of kilter with their previous CONGU handicap that they need to be so anxious? The simple test is whether the number of strokes they get from their Course Handicap on their usual course differs hugely from the strokes their CONGU handicap gave them. If so, you might look to making an adjustment now. If not, then do encourage the return of General Play scores but let's not have folk so anxious about their handicaps to be missing out on the fun.

 

[bunkerblaster]

We had some new members who only had a few scores prior to changeover, with WHS up to five scores only one counts, even later on 19 scores only count 7, you need the full 20 to count 8. 9 to 11 scores only count 3 for you average. Yes it is a shame but the players concerned are content with it and hope to have more representative handicap index end of May.

 

[jim8flog]

My principal point about the original, post was how to frame a reply to those who request a handicap review when they have very few scores on their handicap record.

I was hoping that is now a CONGU requirement which makes the reply very easy.

 

[bunkerblaster]

Jim, I take your point. I doubt it is a CONGU requirement, you may have to refer to E.G. However the EG flowchart states: Did the players record have at least 20 scores? No - Ans; Their handicap will settle as more scores are made available. Accept the Handicap Index Calculated.

I did the following table which shows how many differentials count per rounds played:
1-5 1
6-8 2
9-11 3
12-14 4
15-16 5
17-18 6
19 7
20 8

Players need to get the rounds in for a more reliable average

 

[jim8flog]

Jim, I take your point. I doubt it is a CONGU requirement, you may have to refer to E.G. However the EG flowchart states: Did the players record have at least 20 scores? No - Ans; Their handicap will settle as more scores are made available. Accept the Handicap Index Calculated.

I did the following table which shows how many differentials count per rounds played:
1-5 1
6-8 2
9-11 3
12-14 4
15-16 5
17-18 6
19 7
20 8

Players need to get the rounds in for a more reliable average

As per my #7 post I found the chart