Beezerk
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I think the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid got there first
Brings the numbers up to over 60 now, excluding Lab/Tory.
Starting to get interesting.
I actually meant a party someone would genuinely pay attention to 😉
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I actually meant a party someone would genuinely pay attention to 😉
Doon frae Troon
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Sweep
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What’s quite telling about Soubry, Wollaston and Allen leaving the Tories is that they didn’t have the guts to go before 7 Labour MP’s paved the way for them.
Old Skier
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No common ideology between the two groups. Not happy to stand in a bye election for a "People's Vote".
Taz
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Yes there is, they'll all be finding out how to claim job seekers allowance.
Doon frae Troon
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Fair enough
I thought it was because you could not see beyond blinkered two party politics in NE England.
GB72
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Not necessarily, the timing of any moves like this may well be planned in advance to gain maximum media coverage and to dictate the headlines. Yesterday introduced it, today was about a growing movement and cross party support whilst also keeping it in the headlines for another day and by adding the element of Tory defectors now, it remains front page. Would not be surprised to see a drip feed of defections over the next few days up to the weekend to keep the story going and pontentially be the big editorial piece in the Sunday papers.
I find this disappointing and to a small degree a loophole, albeit a valid and consistent one that has been used for many years. They've left their party, the one which they campaigned under and were duly elected, by choice and yet the constituents get no say in the matter or how this will change what their MP does/doesn't do at a local level and all the time they are still getting a pay cheque until the next election.
Had this been brought about by the death of a standing MP it would have evoked a by-election by default. If you choose to leave a party you should be prepared to take your views and politics to the the doorsteps of the constituency and fight for the right to remain in Westminster
Foxholer
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That's because the particular electorate would no longer have an MP to represent them. That's not the case here!
Though a Private Members Bill was introduced (First Reading) in 2011. Currently 'awaiting further progress'.
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GB72
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and by election now would leave the constituencies unrepresented at a very important polictical time.
Hacker Khan
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I'm quite encouraged by their actions. They have clearly agonised over it and have taken a principled stance that they can no longer support where their respective parties are moving. Whether it be a UKIP lite tribute band party of Rees-Moggs, Kawczyskis and Chopes are whatever the hell labour are turning into with antisemitism and Derick Hatton.
I quite like the idea of a party with views from the left and right working together to find a way forwards instead of the increasingly ideologically and dogmatic direction the other parties are following. Bit of social concern mixed with sensible economics is not a bad thing in my book. It may come to nothing, it may be the start of a new chapter in British politics, who knows. But anyone who thinks the way things were working was doing the country proud needs their head examining. We are currently experiencing the most incompetent level of governance I can think of. So I can only commend them for trying something else and putting their money where their mouth is.
I quite like the idea of a party with views from the left and right working together to find a way forwards instead of the increasingly ideologically and dogmatic direction the other parties are following. Bit of social concern mixed with sensible economics is not a bad thing in my book. It may come to nothing, it may be the start of a new chapter in British politics, who knows. But anyone who thinks the way things were working was doing the country proud needs their head examining. We are currently experiencing the most incompetent level of governance I can think of. So I can only commend them for trying something else and putting their money where their mouth is.
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Their constituents may feel unrepresented now, some of those 11 come from areas that voted by an over-whelming majority for Leave.
Hacker Khan
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I'm from Soubry's constituency and I feel pretty well represented now as she's gone up in my estimation
Can't vouch for the others but taken from her twitter account 'I stood on a promise to support the
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Were you one of the 54% that voted Leave in Broxtowe?I'm from Soubry's constituency and I feel pretty well represented now as she's gone up in my estimation
Can't vouch for the others but taken from her twitter account 'I stood on a promise to support the#SingleMarket#CustomsUnion & polled the highest vote for a Conservative candidate in#Broxtowe for over 25 years. I intend to honour those promises. ' So it should have been pretty clear to anyone who voted for her where she stood on Europe.
Did you vote for her though or is the support for her a new thing?
Genuine question, do you believe she would be re-elected standing as an Independent against a Tory nomination?
SocketRocket
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As someone pointed out already, they appear to be a group with nothing in common other than wanting to stop Brexit and dislikng Corbyn. When the Brexit issue comes to fruition (whatever that may turn out to be) what will be the political glue that binds them into some worthwhile entity? Maybe they could form 'The wishy washy party against anything they dislike but never sure of what they do like'.
SocketRocket
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OK she won the nomination for her constituency and a narrow win for the seat but if she never stood for her parties manifesto why did she not have the backbone then to stand as an independant.I'm from Soubry's constituency and I feel pretty well represented now as she's gone up in my estimation
Can't vouch for the others but taken from her twitter account 'I stood on a promise to support the#SingleMarket#CustomsUnion & polled the highest vote for a Conservative candidate in#Broxtowe for over 25 years. I intend to honour those promises. ' So it should have been pretty clear to anyone who voted for her where she stood on Europe.
chrisd
Major Champion
Or the "Mr Angry from Tunbridge Wells" Party?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Were you one of the 54% that voted Leave in Broxtowe?
Did you vote for her though or is the support for her a new thing?
Genuine question, do you believe she would be re-elected standing as an Independent against a Tory nomination?
Surprisingly enough I was not one of the 54% that voted to leave. And I did not vote for her as there was another candidate that more aligned with my views on several issues, where as I only agreed with Soubry on a handful of issues.
Not sure about her chances as an independent. I think it would depend on what type of candidates Labour and The Tories put against her. I don't think a hard line tory brexiter would do that well but if they put a more centrist against her then she may well get a lot of those votes. We used to have a really good Labour constituency MP but the last one they put forwards was a bit of a non event. The constituency is pretty varied with farmers, some wealth and some less well off areas so hard to call really. The tories have had it in the last 3 but before that it flip flopped quite a bit I think so it's not a stick a blue/red rosette on a pig type area.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
She did in many areas and has stated that she would still vote with the tories on several areas now.
The three MPs said they will support the government on areas such as the economy, security and improvements to public services, but they felt "honour bound to put our constituents' and country's interests first" over Brexit. from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47306022
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It’s not just those 2 areas the 3 ex-tories are saying is the issue in their press conference, there seems to be a lot of problems inside the tory party and with may’s leadership as well.
2 of them stating quite categorically they wouldn’t rejoin the tory party.
