Labour Party discuss

[Deleted member 16999]

They are there as they've followed due process... Could be said they've used/abused the system... But, my point still remains... It's the candidate that gets the votes not the party...

No worries Steve, I agree what it says on the ballot paper, but cynically believe people vote by rosette colour in the main.
And when those MP’s followed due process it will of been with the intention of representing a particular Party.

 

[MegaSteve]

No worries Steve, I agree what it says on the ballot paper, but cynically believe people vote by rosette colour in the main.
And when those MP’s followed due process it will of been with the intention of representing a particular Party.

Hopefully then, 'people' will take it as a lesson and get more involved with the process beyond the colour of the rosette... Might actually get rewarded with better governance...

 

[SocketRocket]

No, I don’t think an MP staying in their Party and voting against a manifesto should resign, no issue with trying to bring change from within whilst staying loyal to your Party.

If I’ve misunderstood again you’ll have to explain.

IMO should an MP stand for election on the Party Manifesto and then vote against it (like many have done with Brexit) they should have the party whip removed and become independant. I guess you would agree they should then stand for re-election.

 

[Foxholer]

IMO should an MP stand for election on the Party Manifesto and then vote against it (like many have done with Brexit) they should have the party whip removed and become independant. I guess you would agree they should then stand for re-election.

And what if they state, prior to the election, that they will 'defy' the manifesto on a specific matter - especially if that's also the way the electorate voted. Do they represent the Party or the Electorate?

 

[Taz]

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/02/18/the-labour-split-press-conference-had-an-unexpected-voiceover/

 

[SocketRocket]

And what if they state, prior to the election, that they will 'defy' the manifesto on a specific matter - especially if that's also the way the electorate voted. Do they represent the Party or the Electorate?

Again they should have the whip removed and become independant or join a party that is more in tune to their beliefs.

 

[williamalex1]

Isn't there a process whereby if 10% of the electorate sign a petition saying they no longer want that MP to represent them an election can be called? Seem to remember something like that being suggested when the (recent) Labour MP was given a jail sentence for perjury???

Old age, I could be wrong...

You maybe thinking of Tommy Sheridan the Solidarity MP who was jailed for 3 years.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

What is interesting is that at a time when the opposition should be having a go at the government, mid term and all that, Labour are succeeding to focus all the attention on themselves and away from such mundane matters as Brexit, The Economy , Health & Education.

Mrs May must be thinking it’s her birthday, Christmas, wedding day and lottery winning day all rolled into one.

I’m a Tory , the current government are , in my opinion , poor. But with Labour members leaving to become independents , and with labour having to beat the SNP in Scotland to stand any chance of winning a general election, they are handing the next GE to the Tory’s on a plate.

Ok a few disgruntled Tory’s might join the labour refugees, but unless there are mass resignations and a new centrist party is formed that’s gathers momentum ( although I doubt any momentum members would join- see what I did there 😎)

But that’s what happened in France with Macron and that’s no bed of roses.
It’s got all the hallmarks of the gang of 4 who faded into obscurity after a while.

A healthy government needs a functioning opposition to keep them on their toes, rather like the SPL needs both Celtic and Rangers.

And at the moment Both parties are failing the country

Edit

And now Derek Hatton is rejoining labour, that’ll keep the papers busy for the next year or so

 

[jp5]

Dearie me. This Government suffered the biggest EVER loss a Government has had, I'd say the opposition are doing about fine. Under the FTPA what do you expect them to do?

 

[Crazyface]

What I don't understand is that these 7 clowns left a party because of anti sematism (racisim) really?, yet the Labour party were actually winning HOC votes, albeit on stuff that doesn't actually matter. And they choose this time to walk away?
Also, with the Tories in a complete shambles, with loads of their MP's voting against themselves (and thank God for that), but the Tories NEVER have a huge defection? Maybe the odd one now and again, but NEVER seven ! They stick together like glue on votes that actually matter, making sure that any rebellion vote is always just one more than the opposition. They fight their cause from the inside and that's what these 7 clowns should be doing. Splitting off will mean they loose they MP status at the next General Election (note they didn't resign their posts. Nose in troughs syndrom).
We desperately need some common sense in our politics at the moment and neither side will give a cm. Fighting against each other when they needed to be united to fight the EU for what the people voted for to ensure it was delivered.

 

[jim8flog]

I must get new glasses, I thought the thread title was Labour Party disgust.

 

[Sweep]

Dearie me. This Government suffered the biggest EVER loss a Government has had, I'd say the opposition are doing about fine. Under the FTPA what do you expect them to do?

Hmmm, I think that was more to do with the motion rather than the quality of the opposition, partly because even some members of the governing party voted against their own leadership.
Looking at the state of this government the opposition are doing anything but fine. In fact the opposition are diabolical.

 

[Sweep]

What is interesting is that at a time when the opposition should be having a go at the government, mid term and all that, Labour are succeeding to focus all the attention on themselves and away from such mundane matters as Brexit, The Economy , Health & Education.

Mrs May must be thinking it’s her birthday, Christmas, wedding day and lottery winning day all rolled into one.

I’m a Tory , the current government are , in my opinion , poor. But with Labour members leaving to become independents , and with labour having to beat the SNP in Scotland to stand any chance of winning a general election, they are handing the next GE to the Tory’s on a plate.

Ok a few disgruntled Tory’s might join the labour refugees, but unless there are mass resignations and a new centrist party is formed that’s gathers momentum ( although I doubt any momentum members would join- see what I did there 😎)

But that’s what happened in France with Macron and that’s no bed of roses.
It’s got all the hallmarks of the gang of 4 who faded into obscurity after a while.

A healthy government needs a functioning opposition to keep them on their toes, rather like the SPL needs both Celtic and Rangers.

And at the moment Both parties are failing the country

Edit

And now Derek Hatton is rejoining labour, that’ll keep the papers busy for the next year or so

Yup, Labour thought they were having a bad day and then someone let’s Derek Hatton back in. You couldn’t make it up.

 

[drdel]

Yup, Labour thought they were having a bad day and then someone let’s Derek Hatton back in. You couldn’t make it up.

Heard him interviewed today; it was an embarrassing trip back decades.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Short term aims of the IG are to overtake the SNP to get third party status and short money.
I do not think they can do either until the next GE.

 

[Crazyface]

Short term aims of the IG are to overtake the SNP to get third party status and short money.
I do not think they can do either until the next GE.

The "IG" did not think about things did they? I mean IG? Just what sort of a name is that? Er hi we're the independent group vote for us. LOL When you start a new party up you must, at the very least, have a powerful strong name. Look at our Nige. His possible new party is The BREXIT party. Although I think this is just a play on words for after the end of March we'll, hopefully, be having a Brexit Party. Could work out cool for me. My companies contract ends at the end of March, so I could be having a proper party !!!!!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The mood of the country is very strange at the moment.
If IG can harvest around 10% of the GE votes and align themselves with the other small parties there would be a third force with a lot of influence over Labour/Tory.

I do not see it as absolutely impossible for IG to light a match under British politics.
If the three Tory MP's were to join quickly they would have a natural leader in Sourby

 

[Taz]

Might need to rename this thread with Allen, Sourby and Wollaston rumoured to defect today.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The mood of the country is very strange at the moment.
If IG can harvest around 10% of the GE votes and align themselves with the other small parties there would be a third force with a lot of influence over Labour/Tory.

I do not see it as absolutely impossible for IG to light a match under British politics.
If the three Tory MP's were to join quickly they would have a natural leader in Sourby

Sourbry is not the warmest though is she? She always looks so angry. If she can tone that down then a combination of her and Chukka as leader and deputy, whichever way round, could prove quite attractive to many people.

 

[chrisd]

Sourbry is not the warmest though is she? She always looks so angry. If she can tone that down then a combination of her and Chukka as leader and deputy, whichever way round, could prove quite attractive to many people.

You serious?