Labour Party discuss

[MegaSteve]

I don’t think any MP should be allowed to resign from a Party and keep their seat, they should resign, force a by-election and stand as an independent or a.n. other Party candidate if they wish.
The people in their constinucency voted for a Labour/Tory MP not an Independent.
To me it’s abuse of position and it’s the people who voted them into that position who should decide what Party/Person represents them.

Believe the vote is intended for the candidate named on the ballot paper rather than the political party they may nominally represent...

 

[Foxholer]

I'd say Corybyn's success in terms of capturing public imagination makes up for his lack of ability in other areas. i.e. his leadership campaigns and his performance in GE 2017 were both very effective and the reason he is still there having lost an election, while Brown and Miliband are not.

Maybe, but I think it's more because of the 'power shift' of the Leadership (re-)election process!

 

[patricks148]

I'd say Corybyn's success in terms of capturing public imagination makes up for his lack of ability in other areas. i.e. his leadership campaigns and his performance in GE 2017 were both very effective and the reason he is still there having lost an election, while Brown and Miliband are not.

labour has had to change after Maggie managed to take away most of its main manifesto and ideals, Blair had to re invent a middle centre party, which appealed to Middle England, but alienated Scotland and let the SNP take over, now we have a leftist labour again Middle England won't vote for them, so they are Fked TBH

 

[Foxholer]

Believe the vote is intended for the candidate named on the ballot paper rather than the political party they may nominally represent...

I agree. It's the candidate's name that comes first and the Party is in brackets! That may not reflect reality (it certainly didn't for my parents!) but....

 

[Grant85]

labour has had to change after Maggie managed to take away most of its main manifesto and ideals, Blair had to re invent a middle centre party, which appealed to Middle England, but alienated Scotland and let the SNP take over, now we have a leftist labour again Middle England won't vote for them, so they are Fked TBH

Not wanting to change the subject, but what let the SNP 'take over' was Labour using the Scottish Parliament as a talent backwater and having all their 'big hitters' at Westminster, while the SNP treated it as an important democratic institution and prioritised Scotland's interests with skilled politicians who wiped the floor with the likes of Jack McConnell and Iain Gray.

 

[patricks148]

Not wanting to change the subject, but what let the SNP 'take over' was Labour using the Scottish Parliament as a talent backwater and having all their 'big hitters' at Westminster, while the SNP treated it as an important democratic institution and prioritised Scotland's interests with skilled politicians who wiped the floor with the likes of Jack McConnell and Iain Gray.

we were discussing it this morning, my wife was almost one or "Blairs Babes" women that were selected to stand over a man, but didn't want to be selected just because she is female.
She's started getting back into Politics again recently and loves Jezza, but i have my reservations TBH

 

[Foxholer]

labour has had to change after Maggie managed to take away most of its main manifesto and ideals.....

What???

Blair had to re invent a middle centre party, which appealed to Middle England, but alienated Scotland and let the SNP take over, now we have a leftist labour again Middle England won't vote for them, so they are Fked TBH

My actual Scottish experience is a little out of date, but my impression has been that SNP simply started at pretty much Labour's 'position', added some Scotland-focused policies and some Nationalism. The idea of having a 'local' group with real, even if slightly limited, power is far more attractive than being 'ruled' from afar imo! I can't see Labour ever getting back to the halcyon days of 'guaranteed' results in Scotland!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Believe the vote is intended for the candidate named on the ballot paper rather than the political party they may nominally represent...

But they are only on that ballot paper because of an endorsment by the Party in that area.
I also accept you could put a stuffed toy up as a candidate in some areas representing Lib/Lab/Con and they’d still get voted in.

 

[SocketRocket]

I don’t think any MP should be allowed to resign from a Party and keep their seat, they should resign, force a by-election and stand as an independent or a.n. other Party candidate if they wish.
The people in their constinucency voted for a Labour/Tory MP not an Independent.
To me it’s abuse of position and it’s the people who voted them into that position who should decide what Party/Person represents them.

Its no different than an MP standing on a party manifesto and then later voting against it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Its no different than an MP standing on a party manifesto and then later voting against it.

Yes it is, I’ve no issue with disagreements within Parties and it’s not about any particular Party, local people put you there to represent them, therefore the local people should have a say if you change who you represent.
If they felt so strongly they should resign on principle and let a by-election decide if the people wish to support them, the issue is the fact they know it’s highly unlikely they’ll get back in, it’s taking money under false pretences to me.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes it is, I’ve no issue with disagreements within Parties and it’s not about any particular Party, local people put you there to represent them, therefore the local people should have a say if you change who you represent.
If they felt so strongly they should resign on principle and let a by-election decide if the people wish to support them, the issue is the fact they know it’s highly unlikely they’ll get back in, it’s taking money under false pretences to me.

You appear to be agreeing with me.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Eagerly awaiting the arrival of the new Scottish Independent Group.

Labour MSP's are absolutely clueless, They are forever scoring own goals whilst at the same time shooting themselves in the foot.
Every time they attempt to pull down Scottish institutions such as health/transport/police/education etc the SNP stock answer is always 'aye, just look at how well the Welsh Labour group are doing running Wales.'

Latest Wastemonster polls predict just two Labour MP's in the next election.

The secret seven will obviously fail, just like the gang of four did in the Foot/ Kinnock years.
Labour never seem to learn from their mistakes.

 

[Hobbit]

Yes it is, I’ve no issue with disagreements within Parties and it’s not about any particular Party, local people put you there to represent them, therefore the local people should have a say if you change who you represent.
If they felt so strongly they should resign on principle and let a by-election decide if the people wish to support them, the issue is the fact they know it’s highly unlikely they’ll get back in, it’s taking money under false pretences to me.

Isn't there a process whereby if 10% of the electorate sign a petition saying they no longer want that MP to represent them an election can be called? Seem to remember something like that being suggested when the (recent) Labour MP was given a jail sentence for perjury???

Old age, I could be wrong...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You appear to be agreeing with me.

No, I don’t think an MP staying in their Party and voting against a manifesto should resign, no issue with trying to bring change from within whilst staying loyal to your Party.

If I’ve misunderstood again you’ll have to explain.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Isn't there a process whereby if 10% of the electorate sign a petition saying they no longer want that MP to represent them an election can be called? Seem to remember something like that being suggested when the (recent) Labour MP was given a jail sentence for perjury???

Old age, I could be wrong...

No idea mate.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

UKIP teaching Labour a lesson in class. Who would have thunk that.
Carswell and the other guy at least had the guts to stand down and seek re-election

 

[Grant85]

Isn't there a process whereby if 10% of the electorate sign a petition saying they no longer want that MP to represent them an election can be called? Seem to remember something like that being suggested when the (recent) Labour MP was given a jail sentence for perjury???

Old age, I could be wrong...

I don't believe this ever became a thing.

It was mooted during the expenses scandal, that constituents should have the ability to 'recall' MPs. But I'm pretty sure the Westminster parliament is morally incapable of introducing such a noble and self-containing measure.

Re: the Labour MP who has been convicted - I believe there is no actual rule that forces her to stand down or forces a by-election. I'm pretty sure Labour would be keen to avoid a by-election defence at all costs in Brexity Peterborough.

Again, this is in contrast to the Scottish Parliament where I believe any people convicted of crimes HAVE to stand down. See Mike Watson, Glasgow MSP who was done for Arson about 15 years ago.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't believe this ever became a thing.

It was mooted during the expenses scandal, that constituents should have the ability to 'recall' MPs. But I'm pretty sure the Westminster parliament is morally incapable of introducing such a noble and self-containing measure.

Re: the Labour MP who has been convicted - I believe there is no actual rule that forces her to stand down or forces a by-election. I'm pretty sure Labour would be keen to avoid a by-election defence at all costs in Brexity Peterborough.

Again, this is in contrast to the Scottish Parliament where I believe any people convicted of crimes HAVE to stand down. See Mike Watson, Glasgow MSP who was done for Arson about 15 years ago.

The conviction has to be for a longer sentence than the recent MP was given. Had it been longer she would have been forced out by parliament and a re-election would have occurred.

MP's are rarely going to resign voluntarily unless they are independently wealthy. An MP's salary is decent, how do they replace that?, and the pension is extremely good, more than that really. Few people would throw that away unless money is not an issue for you.

 

[Hobbit]

The conviction has to be for a longer sentence than the recent MP was given. Had it been longer she would have been forced out by parliament and a re-election would have occurred.

MP's are rarely going to resign voluntarily unless they are independently wealthy. An MP's salary is decent, how do they replace that?, and the pension is extremely good, more than that really. Few people would throw that away unless money is not an issue for you.

Its called a Recall Petition. However, it does need the MP to be convicted and sentenced for more than 12 months.

 

[MegaSteve]

But they are only on that ballot paper because of an endorsment by the Party in that area.
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They are there as they've followed due process... Could be said they've used/abused the system... But, my point still remains... It's the candidate that gets the votes not the party...