Labour and the SNP

Well am bored waiting for me tea to mash. So ere goes.

i have no interest whatsoever ever in Labour or the SNP. However the Tories being in for 20 yrs hmm am not sure. Us/joe Public can be a fickle lot when it comes to voting. As far as I can see the SNP have one mandate. Independence, and as soon as that proves financially unworkable I don't see how they will govern, oil will not keep Scotland afloat forever.

re Labour that last idiot leader of Labour has done as much damage to his party as Tony Blair did. Words will not change Labour.

i have always ways believed that a government is as strong as the opposition. On that basis,over this next term I think we are screwed.

off back into man cave tea mashed.
 
Wonder how many seats Labour would lose in England if they went into an alliance with the SNP? They certainly wouldn't get my vote. The SNP might be the be all and end all for you but not for many others, and Labour allying themselves to a party like that.... nah, wouldn't do them any good at all.

But, out of curiosity, why is the decision not to enter into an alliance seen as a smack in the face to the Scottish electorate? Smoke and mirrors, and twisting it into a national slur... poor gutter politics in my opinion.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
I would have thought that doing a deal with the SNP would be a major plus for any new Labour leader.
The alternative seems to be 20 years of Tory government and a break up of the Union.


http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-tory-generation/#more-72121
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Do a deal with a party who's purpose in life is to break up the Union?

The article is a badly written piece of scaremongering. Labour need to sort out their issues and get credible policies and people in place to become the credible opposition again.

I am convinced the SNP will make some serious cock-up in the coming months/years and fall out of 'flavour' with the Scottish sheep who follow blindly. Didnt they announce 3000 job losses in local authorities in Scotland recently? are they blaming that on the Tories also.
 
The Labour Party is lost to Scotland, the only credible opposition is the Scottish Tories.
Labour will never gain power in the UK without the old Labour Scottish votes.

The SNP core values are more akin to old labour and have quite a bit of support in the North of England.
A UK Labour leader who can recognise that would probably gain some support from the Tory wannabees in the South.

Remember many SNP supporters would rather see a federal UK than outright independence.
The Tories seem to be trying to close that door.
 
Any party that "does a deal" with the SNP will effectively be run by the SNP as they will veto anything that doesn't directly benefit Scotland and certainly anything that even could have a negative outcome
If Labour want to get back in, they have to sort their own house out, get credible policies and personnel and win back the lost voters.
Doing deals won't get them back in.
 
Imurg said:
Any party that "does a deal" with the SNP will effectively be run by the SNP as they will veto anything that doesn't directly benefit Scotland and certainly anything that even could have a negative outcome
If Labour want to get back in, they have to sort their own house out, get credible policies and personnel and win back the lost voters.
Doing deals won't get them back in.
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I think that is very harsh.
If I said that any deal that benefits Scotland will be squashed by the UK Parliament.......would you disagree?

Wind Farm subsidy is current.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think that is very harsh.
If I said that any deal that benefits Scotland will be squashed by the UK Parliament.......would you disagree?

Wind Farm subsidy is current.
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So, the SNP and Labour do a deal and get in at the next election.
2 years down the line a piece of legislation needs passing that benefits the UK as a whole but has repercussions in Scotland.
Will the SNP vote against it?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think that is very harsh.
If I said that any deal that benefits Scotland will be squashed by the UK Parliament.......would you disagree?

Wind Farm subsidy is current.
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I think you'll find that wind farm subsidies are ending south of the border too.

Also, there were many Lib and Con voters who disagreed with the alliance that brought about the last coalition govt. Lib voters didn't vote for Con policies but ended up getting them because of the alliance, and vice versa.

Besides, who wants a bit part, one trick pony party like the SNP having a significant say in UK policies? All they're interested in is Scotland, not the UK as a whole.
 
Imurg said:
So, the SNP and Labour do a deal and get in at the next election.
2 years down the line a piece of legislation needs passing that benefits the UK as a whole but has repercussions in Scotland.
Will the SNP vote against it?
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In Scotland......not many folk are talking about the next UK election.
The way things are going with Labour and Tory mandarins, that is more likely to be a rUK election.
 
Hobbit said:
I think you'll find that wind farm subsidies are ending south of the border too.

Also, there were many Lib and Con voters who disagreed with the alliance that brought about the last coalition govt. Lib voters didn't vote for Con policies but ended up getting them because of the alliance, and vice versa.

Besides, who wants a bit part, one trick pony party like the SNP having a significant say in UK policies? All they're interested in is Scotland, not the UK as a whole.
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Aye, but don't let the truth get in the way of a nice snp, love in, nationalistic, flag waving, witch burning, divisive, they're aw against us, Tory bashing, hate fest though. :)

#itsoorwind........andoilbtw ;)
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I would have thought that doing a deal with the SNP would be a major plus for any new Labour leader.
The alternative seems to be 20 years of Tory government and a break up of the Union.
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If we ever tire of the Tory's we will change allegiances and vote to rid ourselves, the SNP are totally an irrelevance to the rest of the UK. Any party who does a deal with the SNP will be less popular than the Lib Dems have become and will stand no chance of holding power. Down here, we all know that the SNP agenda is entirely for, and in, only the Scottish interest and, it really is in everyone else's interest to completely marginalise them and, that way, they will never hold us to ransom
 
We had a referendum to join the common market in 1970, and we will be having another one in the next couple of years to see if we want to stay in the EEC. so thats a 46 year gap

Rather than pander to the SNP, who have very recently lost a referendum, there should be no hint of another independence vote until at least 2060

That matter should be seen as settled for the long term and the sooner the SNP recognize that the better. all this sabre rattling and talk of another referendum within 5 years is tosh.

So where does that leave Wee Nicola & Smart Alec, coz nobody down south is listening to them.
 
On BBC news this evening, the Scots moaning that they didn't vote for the Tories!

Well, get this! - we didn't vote for the SNP!!
 
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