Canary_Yellow
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The green flag is being waved beyond the accident though, isn't it?
Jules Bianchi serious head injury in F1
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The green flag is being waved beyond the accident though, isn't it?
Fyldewhite
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My take is that the green flag is irrelevant, there's no way Bianchi would have either seen it, or even if he did it would be too late to have influenced anything. The processes are designed to remove debris and abandoned cars as soon as is possible as these present the greatest danger trackside. I think there's a lot of benefit of hindsight going on here. If he'd hit Sutil's empty car, flipped over the tyre wall and taken out a couple of Marshals there would have been a lot of people saying why was Sutil's car left there. There are probably lessons to learn especially around the design/protection available of the recovery vehicles but I think this was more an accident than negligence.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
A green flag is being waved from a tower immediately behind the barrier the site of the accidents. It was being waved following Sutil's crash whilst his car was being removed - and was still being waved after Bianchi crashed out..
pokerjoke
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It looks like its right above the crash scene on a tower or something.
Hopefully he will make a full recovery and will be able to tell us what he saw and
why he hadn't slowed down enough.
Canary_Yellow
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Very much this.
F1 is never going to be 100% safe. The key is to learn from every accident to make sure lightning doesn't strike twice and as you say, thinking about the design of the recovery vehicles is the point to take from this, although I'm far from convinced that Bianchi wouldn't have suffered severe injuries even if his car hadn't been able to go under the tractor, the impact would have been massive.
My view is that they should give some more thought to where it is and is not appropriate to use a recovery vehicle without a safety car - when in front of a tyre wall where there have been a few accidents in the past, then I think there is a good argument to say deploy the safety car, as opposed to an accident on a straight or in any other area that is not a run off area.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
He's only interested if there's money in it.
Very lucky that more people weren't hurt judging by the YouTube film.
ger147
Tour Winner
Same race, same track, same conditions, same corner but 20 years ago.
Martin Brundle just missed the recovery vehicle and the other car being recovered. At about 3:55 in the video you will see how close he got...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-nSWjdpHI
Martin Brundle just missed the recovery vehicle and the other car being recovered. At about 3:55 in the video you will see how close he got...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-nSWjdpHI
StrangelyBrown
Tour Winner
Because it's after the incident.
Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
Exactly.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Read earlier that the observation/warning tower behind the accident was for the next section of the track. The accident happened in the section monitored by the marshall in that tower - hence why the marshall originally waved yellow warning flags. When the Suthil's car and the recovery vehicle reversed out of that section the marshall could wave the green flag. Apparently yellow flags were being waved for the section the recovery vehicle was then in - and the one in which Bianchi came off.
