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Jose Mourinho's Chelsea

Slime said:
Thanks mate.
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chris661, are you there? If so, you have a task to perform ..................... for the sake of this thread. :thup:


Slime.
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Pathetic Slime absolutely pathetic.
 
Slime said:
Sorry Stuart_C, just trying to inject a bit of light heartedness ..................... or do you prefer childish points scoring?


Slime.
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I was told you had to be clever for this......

I agree with the points scoring shout it seems to spoil most threads these days, i thought my summary of the thread was fair,No?
 
Stuart_C said:
I was told you had to be clever for this......

I agree with the points scoring shout it seems to spoil most threads these days, i thought my summary of the thread was fair,No?
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Not really because it was off-topic.
This thread is, or at least should be, about Mourinho's Chelsea, i.e. the team/players/squad and their tactics and nothing to do with Hillsborough/heysel shouts from the Chelsea supporters. I think that's for another thread and I don't particularly want to see this one closed.
If that makes sense.


Slime.

If the topic was about vile supporters, then maybe :thup:.
 
TO be honest why doesn't everyone just accept that for the 5 decades our game has been over run with mindless morons (the actual words I would like to use would get me banned) and every team has been as bad as the next at some point during that time. The authorities are trying to clamp down on it, but it is very difficult to totally remove it from the game. Saying fans should highlight things to stewards is ridiculous, do you want that braindead moron to see it was you getting him kicked out of the ground?

We got banned from Europe for too many years of violence from multiple clubs like has already been said. UEFA had been looking for an excuse to ban English clubs from Europe, 1985 gave them that chance and my god did they make the most of it.

I do not see what this argument is all about, it is like listening to a bunch of children in the playground, I think people just need to grow up a bit.........
 
Firstly, this has nothing to do with hooliganism per se.

Yes, every major club has a firm, and this isn't to say that Chelsea's "firm" was doing this. They may have been, they may not have been. There may have been 14 year old impressionable youths there (as I was 30 years ago), they may have been 70 year old men.

The fact is that a large part of their support on 2 occasions has disrupted a minutes silence. It is rumoured about spitting on the Hillsborough memorial and singing vile chants about Steven Gerrards cousin dieing.

I also dont want Liverpool fans fans to be held up as bastions of society for not singing Munich songs anymore.We arent and dont deserve a pat on the back.

Football has generally moved on massively since the 70's and 80's.

I have asked if decent chelsea fans are disgusted with the behaviour shown, it doesn't look like they are.

99% of football fans seemed to be able to hold a minutes silence recently, and no-one in any numbers has sang Hillsborough songs (apart from Millwall) in many years. Very sporadically Man u have, Everton sing songs about Heysel but you expect it from your rivals.

Why have Chelsea started in the last 4-5 years - cos we knocked them out of a few CL semis?

You can mention CCTV, police etc but with this type of stuff only fellow decent fans can change the overall culture of a clubs own fans. I'm not holding my breath.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Firstly, this has nothing to do with hooliganism per se.

Yes, every major club has a firm, and this isn't to say that Chelsea's "firm" was doing this. They may have been, they may not have been. There may have been 14 year old impressionable youths there (as I was 30 years ago), they may have been 70 year old men.

The fact is that a large part of their support on 2 occasions has disrupted a minutes silence. It is rumoured about spitting on the Hillsborough memorial and singing vile chants about Steven Gerrards cousin dieing.

I also dont want Liverpool fans fans to be held up as bastions of society for not singing Munich songs anymore.We arent and dont deserve a pat on the back.

Football has generally moved on massively since the 70's and 80's.

I have asked if decent chelsea fans are disgusted with the behaviour shown, it doesn't look like they are.

99% of football fans seemed to be able to hold a minutes silence recently, and no-one in any numbers has sang Hillsborough songs (apart from Millwall) in many years. Very sporadically Man u have, Everton sing songs about Heysel but you expect it from your rivals.

Why have Chelsea started in the last 4-5 years - cos we knocked them out of a few CL semis?

You can mention CCTV, police etc but with this type of stuff only fellow decent fans can change the overall culture of a clubs own fans. I'm not holding my breath.
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............................... and so it continues ...........................


Slime.
 
Liverbirdie said:
The fact is that a large part of their support on 2 occasions has disrupted a minutes silence. It is rumoured about spitting on the Hillsborough memorial and singing vile chants about Steven Gerrards cousin dieing.


I have asked if decent chelsea fans are disgusted with the behaviour shown, it doesn't look like they are.
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First & last contribution from me to this one.

I'm disgusted with any fan that can't keep their mouth shut for a minute to pay their respects regardless of what club they support but particularly if they claim to be Chelsea supporters. I'd be interested to know which particular silences the "large part" of Chelsea's support are supposed to have disrespected because that wasn't the case with any I've been at; a few idiots did at the 2012 FA Cup semi-final, but more noise was made by those telling them to shut up from where I was sat, although that wasn't what the newspapers chose to report; it certainly wasn't a fact that a "large part" of our support disrupted it. And while I have heard Hillsborough songs sung I have never yet heard one specifically sung about Steven Gerrard's cousin. That is as a fan who has been going regularly for about 35 years, and who has only missed about 5 home games in all comps in the last 10 years, although granted I haven't been to Anfield for many years.

If it is the case that a fan spat on the Hillsborough memorial then they should be dealt with appropriately in a court of law. However I wonder, given the sources of the reports (Twitter & the Daily Mirror) if it actually happened. If it did and it was done in the name of my club then I am embarrassed.

Goodnight.
 
MadAdey said:
TO be honest why doesn't everyone just accept that for the 5 decades our game has been over run with mindless morons (the actual words I would like to use would get me banned) and every team has been as bad as the next at some point during that time. The authorities are trying to clamp down on it, but it is very difficult to totally remove it from the game. Saying fans should highlight things to stewards is ridiculous, do you want that braindead moron to see it was you getting him kicked out of the ground?

We got banned from Europe for too many years of violence from multiple clubs like has already been said. UEFA had been looking for an excuse to ban English clubs from Europe, 1985 gave them that chance and my god did they make the most of it.

I do not see what this argument is all about, it is like listening to a bunch of children in the playground, I think people just need to grow up a bit.........
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Liverbirdie said:
Firstly, this has nothing to do with hooliganism per se.

Yes, every major club has a firm, and this isn't to say that Chelsea's "firm" was doing this. They may have been, they may not have been. There may have been 14 year old impressionable youths there (as I was 30 years ago), they may have been 70 year old men.

The fact is that a large part of their support on 2 occasions has disrupted a minutes silence. It is rumoured about spitting on the Hillsborough memorial and singing vile chants about Steven Gerrards cousin dieing.

I also dont want Liverpool fans fans to be held up as bastions of society for not singing Munich songs anymore.We arent and dont deserve a pat on the back.

Football has generally moved on massively since the 70's and 80's.

I have asked if decent chelsea fans are disgusted with the behaviour shown, it doesn't look like they are.

99% of football fans seemed to be able to hold a minutes silence recently, and no-one in any numbers has sang Hillsborough songs (apart from Millwall) in many years. Very sporadically Man u have, Everton sing songs about Heysel but you expect it from your rivals.

Why have Chelsea started in the last 4-5 years - cos we knocked them out of a few CL semis?

You can mention CCTV, police etc but with this type of stuff only fellow decent fans can change the overall culture of a clubs own fans. I'm not holding my breath.
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Blue in Munich said:
First & last contribution from me to this one.

I'm disgusted with any fan that can't keep their mouth shut for a minute to pay their respects regardless of what club they support but particularly if they claim to be Chelsea supporters. I'd be interested to know which particular silences the "large part" of Chelsea's support are supposed to have disrespected because that wasn't the case with any I've been at; a few idiots did at the 2012 FA Cup semi-final, but more noise was made by those telling them to shut up from where I was sat, although that wasn't what the newspapers chose to report; it certainly wasn't a fact that a "large part" of our support disrupted it. And while I have heard Hillsborough songs sung I have never yet heard one specifically sung about Steven Gerrard's cousin. That is as a fan who has been going regularly for about 35 years, and who has only missed about 5 home games in all comps in the last 10 years, although granted I haven't been to Anfield for many years.

If it is the case that a fan spat on the Hillsborough memorial then they should be dealt with appropriately in a court of law. However I wonder, given the sources of the reports (Twitter & the Daily Mirror) if it actually happened. If it did and it was done in the name of my club then I am embarrassed.

Goodnight.
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Three entirely reasonable and sensible replies to wherever this thread has morphed into.

The OP was actually asking why it was Jose Mourinho's Chelsea and not simply Chelsea. But that got hijacked very quickly - about 230 posts ago!

HawkeyeMS said:
Why is it that Sky Sports presenters have to refer to Chelsea as "Jose Mourinho's Chelsea"? It's just Chelsea and Jose Mourinho ain't that special!

:sbox:
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I think he is a bit special - not necessarily in a good way all the time. And, to me, it's Rogers's Liverpool just as much. Maybe it wasn't Moyes's Man U and I don't see it as Pelligrini's City for some reason. Is it Tony Pulis's Crystal Palace? Not from team selection, but he certainly owns the players hearts!

There's certainly a good chunk of self-promotion in Maureen's (much easier to type) style and that's probably good for both the team and for TV.
 
With the greatest of respect Peter (LB), I do question the 'large part' description that is constantly creeping into many posts to harang Chelsea fans, as you know from a travelling supporter yourself, far more than anyone else on here currently, away travellers tend to be mainly from the ST brigade, especially when tickets are scarce and as such the away following can be far more mixed with couples and families in tow, as such, it is not proportionately mindless idiots that could make up a 'large part' of support to sing such gross chants. And, there are very few if any Chelsea 'firm' involved in this due to a large majority of them being currently banned or indefinitely banned, but, as you rightly have said, it only takes 1 or 2 and the young sheep will join in but in a more mixed travelling support, I dispute the 'large part' expression.

I'm personally not aware of the SG chants but I wouldn't be surprised if they have been created and gained pace and are being chanted, unfortunately this will be in a direct tit-for-tat mindless retaliation for the same vile chants and sick pictures that are seen all over Twitter and other social media sites by Liverpool fans since the death of Frank Lampards mother Pat. Its not right to retaliate and its not right right to lower ourselves to the same degrading standards, but that is why it will be happening.

I'm unsubscribing to this now along with the other Chelsea posts because its becoming a witch hunt and personal at times, which I'm not going to be drawn into. Peter, I'm always happy to discuss things with you over a social pint, you know that and we have indeed done so, there's wrongs in all corners and always will be, but, there are some on here that flippantly excuse their clubs briefly only then to point score greater in the same breath.
 
Blue in Munich said:
First & last contribution from me to this one.

I'm disgusted with any fan that can't keep their mouth shut for a minute to pay their respects regardless of what club they support but particularly if they claim to be Chelsea supporters. I'd be interested to know which particular silences the "large part" of Chelsea's support are supposed to have disrespected because that wasn't the case with any I've been at; a few idiots did at the 2012 FA Cup semi-final, but more noise was made by those telling them to shut up from where I was sat, although that wasn't what the newspapers chose to report; it certainly wasn't a fact that a "large part" of our support disrupted it. And while I have heard Hillsborough songs sung I have never yet heard one specifically sung about Steven Gerrard's cousin. That is as a fan who has been going regularly for about 35 years, and who has only missed about 5 home games in all comps in the last 10 years, although granted I haven't been to Anfield for many years.

If it is the case that a fan spat on the Hillsborough memorial then they should be dealt with appropriately in a court of law. However I wonder, given the sources of the reports (Twitter & the Daily Mirror) if it actually happened. If it did and it was done in the name of my club then I am embarrassed.

Goodnight.
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Fish said:
With the greatest of respect Peter (LB), I do question the 'large part' description that is constantly creeping into many posts to harang Chelsea fans, as you know from a travelling supporter yourself, far more than anyone else on here currently, away travellers tend to be mainly from the ST brigade, especially when tickets are scarce and as such the away following can be far more mixed with couples and families in tow, as such, it is not proportionately mindless idiots that could make up a 'large part' of support to sing such gross chants. And, there are very few if any Chelsea 'firm' involved in this due to a large majority of them being currently banned or indefinitely banned, but, as you rightly have said, it only takes 1 or 2 and the young sheep will join in but in a more mixed travelling support, I dispute the 'large part' expression.

I'm personally not aware of the SG chants but I wouldn't be surprised if they have been created and gained pace and are being chanted, unfortunately this will be in a direct tit-for-tat mindless retaliation for the same vile chants and sick pictures that are seen all over Twitter and other social media sites by Liverpool fans since the death of Frank Lampards mother Pat. Its not right to retaliate and its not right right to lower ourselves to the same degrading standards, but that is why it will be happening.

I'm unsubscribing to this now along with the other Chelsea posts because its becoming a witch hunt and personal at times, which I'm not going to be drawn into. Peter, I'm always happy to discuss things with you over a social pint, you know that and we have indeed done so, there's wrongs in all corners and always will be, but, there are some on here that flippantly excuse their clubs briefly only then to point score greater in the same breath.
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Agreed Fish.

The tone I try to take onto here would always be what I would be as happy to say in that persons company.It doesn’t matter which part of the support does it, it’s the fact that it happens and the longer it happens the more it becomes acceptable. Fans attitudes changes only when the other (same fans) take action.

If Liverpool fans had done the same I know I would have been straight on apologising, if I felt it was correct. Ok, you cant apologise for everything that fellow fans do, but major things I think should be.

Liverpool fans still do and say vile things, as do all other clubs fans. It still doesn’t make it right to just brush it off with – “well you did this”, that is how it just carries on. I’m no angel myself.

Blue in Munich

For clarification – when I say large part, I don’t mean the majority, which I know is not true. If I had felt that I would have said larger part. However, the FA cup semi and the Swansea game sounded like hundreds to me and not just 2-3 individuals (which can always happen). I also know that twitter and the papers are not reliable, so that is why I said alleged. Given the earlier incidents it wouldn’t be suprising, as Fish agrees.

It may have happened, but I don’t remember anyone from Chelsea FC, supporters groups or even Jose himself denouncing the spoiling of the minutes silences.

To show this isn’t pointscoring – I was at Man City about 5 years ago for when they had a minutes silence for George Best dying. 5 “knobheads” all about 16-18 y.o. started shouting stuff, the Liverpool fans turned on them and shouted them down, which as we know makes it worst. The man city fans then shouted the Liverpool fans down and it ended pretty quickly. The Man city fans that day were probably seen as at fault, which they weren’t.

We all have them.

Alternately,2-3 weeks ago Man City came for a massive match and had 3 big banners asking for “justice” or RIPto the 96 – absolute class – and before pinseeker says “you bricked them afterwards”. I don’t know, haven’t heard it,but if it did, this is absolutely out of order.

“there's wrongs in all corners and alwayswill be, but, there are some on here that flippantly excuse their clubs briefly only then to point score greater in the same breath” – Amen to that.

I would happily share a pint with Chelsea fans, as I have done in the past and will judge them individually. As I have said on more than one occasion in the 80’s I actually admired Chelsea’s vociferous support, which was not typical of London teams, in terms of travelling support,noise and passion, hooliganism aside.

Rule no.1 - Dont take twitter, facebook, talksport and golf forums to be a fair reflection of normal match going fans – it isn’t.

Time to move on. It just shows that some people can talk like adults, despite club allegiances.:thup:
 
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I have to say Fish I honestly haven't ever heard any chants about Frank Lampards mother or seen anything on any social media sites - hopefully I don't follow people that do that because fans who chants stuff like that are just vile scum - regardless of who they support.

In the past I have had run ins with Chelsea fans - since 05 the atmosphere between the two sets of fans appears to have got very nasty - possibly because of the CL semi finals and playing each so many times over a short period. Also Rafa and Maureen had their running spat which seem to spill over to the fans.

I was there at the semi final two years ago when we were supposed to have the minutes silence and it's was a lot of a Chelsea fans booing and chanting murderers - it wasn't 3 or 4 but in the hundreds - load enough that the ref was forced to abandon the minutes silence - understand your club banned a number of fans afterwards and publicly announced how disgraced they were. But it again happened at Swansea this year during the 25th anniversary and so far as LB no one from the club has come out and said anything - which is a shame really especially when everyone other club in the country ( and abroad ) recognised the minutes silence with massive respect.

I don't think I will ever understand fans chanting towards people who have died etc - Liverpool Fans about Munich including. It disgusts me and really is a stain on our game at times. I think the game has tried very hard to kick racism out of the game and to stop the disgusting chants in our country but maybe they should now look at what fans chant - banter is great , mocking the dead crosses that line. As with Racism maybe make the clubs play to empty stadiums to force them to look further into the issues

If what has happened with the Hillsborough Memorial is true and the chanting on the train and they chants about Gerrards cousin are true I really fear what retaliation we will possibly see from some Liverpool fans ?!
 
I'd like to point out that Crystal Palace don't have a "firm" but there could be a couple of "sole traders" !
 
Maureen did an "ask Jose" on Twitter but then went a bit quiet with response

Here is a selection of the tweets

#AskJose - they were pretty much asking for it

After spending 110million pound, winning nothing and taking Chelsea from 3rd to 3rd, are you still the special one? #AskJose
— Ben Hosker (@BenHoska14) May 16, 2014

Did the ball go in? did the ball stay out? in out in out the kop was in no doubt we all went to Turkey and the Chelsea went out #AskJose
— Richard Hayes (@richphay) May 16, 2014

Was it a goal though? #AskJose pic.twitter.com/5N4DmtIK9u
— ⚽ Karen ⚽ (@Karen_LFC_YNWA) May 16, 2014

Do you believe a single word you say in the media? #AskJose
— LFCBankes (@nbankes) May 16, 2014

How does it feel to have won less European trophies at Chelsea than Rafa Benitez? #AskJose
— Tim Bolton (@timbolton1) May 16, 2014

How do you get @chelseafc to play such magnificent attractive football? You don't. #AskJose
— Ryan Beaumont (@RBeaumont9) May 16, 2014

How does it feel that a 'specialist in failure' is likely to win more than you after spending 70 million less? #AskJose
— Ben Hart (@BenlfcHart) May 16, 2014

When does parking the bus become tactical genius? #AskJose
— Kris 'Ridgie' Ridge (@goonerridge) May 16, 2014

#AskJose Do you think you'll ever get a chance to manage a big club in England?
— AG (@IDidSeeIt) May 16, 2014

How many defensive midfielders will you buy before you can truly say that it is your team? #AskJose
— AntiBarca2Ö11 (@Antibarca2011) May 16, 2014

Are you now going to quit now that you have not won any trophies this season like you said you would? #AskJose
— Garry Casey (@GarryCasey) May 16, 2014

You're aware that designer stubbles are so 2007 aren't you #AskJose
— MelchettTLW™ (@MelchettTLW) May 16, 2014

Will you try to field two goalies and only nine defenders next season? #AskJose
— Fredrik Ivarsen (@iVarsFC) May 16, 2014

Are you going to answer all these questions sarcastically? #AskJose
— LFC0207 (@LFC0207) May 16, 2014

How come when @Arsenal don't win anything we're failures. When your team's don't win anything your building for next season?! #AskJose
— Kris 'Ridgie' Ridge (@goonerridge) May 16, 2014

#AskJose is ur next signing is a double decker bus? if true whats ur tactics? will it be reverse parking n line up like great wall of china?
— OhToBeAKFCGooner (@GoonerGetYahh) May 16, 2014

#AskJose how does it feel to spend £110m and yet finish third in the league?
— Luis Suarez (@Luis16saurez) May 16, 2014

Is there no Portuguese word for 'hypocrite'? #AskJose
— G David (@gil_i_am) May 16, 2014

How many goals did Eto'o, Torres and Ba score? #AskJose
— Transcendentalist. (@SunnanBehave) May 16, 2014

How does it feel that United selected Moyes over you for the United job ? #AskJose
— The Iceman Cömeth (@sagar_tkd) May 16, 2014

What do you think about the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre? #AskJose
— Ben (@4l2l2) May 16, 2014

considering it's 2 seasons without a trophy with Europe's biggest and most talented squads are you a #specialistinfailure ? #AskJose
— brdgunner (@brdgunner) May 16, 2014

#AskJose who is older.. Eto'o or you?
— Peter Adepoju (@peraisakop) May 15, 2014

How do u take a team that was 3rd in the PL & won a trophy in Europe, spend £115m & then have the front to say they can't compete? #AskJose
— Ryan (@Ry_x1) May 5, 2014
 
:rofl: :rofl:

Somehow, I don't believe #AskJose is actually Maureen! Started by someone names Brenda? or Alison?

But it will be his team next year, if he's still there, and he won't have any excuses!

He may need to convince a few of the players Chelsea has out on loan to play his way though. Shipping them off somewhere else is no longer a 'punishment' or option imo.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Maureen did an "ask Jose" on Twitter but then went a bit quiet with response

Here is a selection of the tweets

#AskJose - they were pretty much asking for it

After spending 110million pound, winning nothing and taking Chelsea from 3rd to 3rd, are you still the special one? #AskJose
— Ben Hosker (@BenHoska14) May 16, 2014

Did the ball go in? did the ball stay out? in out in out the kop was in no doubt we all went to Turkey and the Chelsea went out #AskJose
— Richard Hayes (@richphay) May 16, 2014

Was it a goal though? #AskJose pic.twitter.com/5N4DmtIK9u
— ⚽ Karen ⚽ (@Karen_LFC_YNWA) May 16, 2014

Do you believe a single word you say in the media? #AskJose
— LFCBankes (@nbankes) May 16, 2014

How does it feel to have won less European trophies at Chelsea than Rafa Benitez? #AskJose
— Tim Bolton (@timbolton1) May 16, 2014

How do you get @chelseafc to play such magnificent attractive football? You don't. #AskJose
— Ryan Beaumont (@RBeaumont9) May 16, 2014

How does it feel that a 'specialist in failure' is likely to win more than you after spending 70 million less? #AskJose
— Ben Hart (@BenlfcHart) May 16, 2014

When does parking the bus become tactical genius? #AskJose
— Kris 'Ridgie' Ridge (@goonerridge) May 16, 2014

#AskJose Do you think you'll ever get a chance to manage a big club in England?
— AG (@IDidSeeIt) May 16, 2014

How many defensive midfielders will you buy before you can truly say that it is your team? #AskJose
— AntiBarca2Ö11 (@Antibarca2011) May 16, 2014

Are you now going to quit now that you have not won any trophies this season like you said you would? #AskJose
— Garry Casey (@GarryCasey) May 16, 2014

You're aware that designer stubbles are so 2007 aren't you #AskJose
— MelchettTLW™ (@MelchettTLW) May 16, 2014

Will you try to field two goalies and only nine defenders next season? #AskJose
— Fredrik Ivarsen (@iVarsFC) May 16, 2014

Are you going to answer all these questions sarcastically? #AskJose
— LFC0207 (@LFC0207) May 16, 2014

How come when @Arsenal don't win anything we're failures. When your team's don't win anything your building for next season?! #AskJose
— Kris 'Ridgie' Ridge (@goonerridge) May 16, 2014

#AskJose is ur next signing is a double decker bus? if true whats ur tactics? will it be reverse parking n line up like great wall of china?
— OhToBeAKFCGooner (@GoonerGetYahh) May 16, 2014

#AskJose how does it feel to spend £110m and yet finish third in the league?
— Luis Suarez (@Luis16saurez) May 16, 2014

Is there no Portuguese word for 'hypocrite'? #AskJose
— G David (@gil_i_am) May 16, 2014

How many goals did Eto'o, Torres and Ba score? #AskJose
— Transcendentalist. (@SunnanBehave) May 16, 2014

How does it feel that United selected Moyes over you for the United job ? #AskJose
— The Iceman Cömeth (@sagar_tkd) May 16, 2014

What do you think about the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre? #AskJose
— Ben (@4l2l2) May 16, 2014

considering it's 2 seasons without a trophy with Europe's biggest and most talented squads are you a #specialistinfailure ? #AskJose
— brdgunner (@brdgunner) May 16, 2014

#AskJose who is older.. Eto'o or you?
— Peter Adepoju (@peraisakop) May 15, 2014

How do u take a team that was 3rd in the PL & won a trophy in Europe, spend £115m & then have the front to say they can't compete? #AskJose
— Ryan (@Ry_x1) May 5, 2014
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My think it's rather amusing that some people would think a, it's real and b, if it were it would be a q and a for rival fans to ask questions.

As as many amusing questions as above could be asked to many a premiership team. What is it Chelsea fans sing. "Green is the colour".......
 
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