You'd be correct lol. I don't dislike Liverpool that much!!
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You'd be correct lol. I don't dislike Liverpool that much!!
Everything that you ask for in that post is in place, stewards identify individuals and highlight them to police, banning orders are issued on a regular basis from activities inside and outside the grounds and these orders are mainly for 2 years or more, not a season or a few months, it also includes the handing in of passports on match days and you cannot go near any ground (1 mile) 4hrs before and 3hrs after kick-off, so, there are measures as all clubs have special police spotters and are fully aware of ring leaders and 'firms' that cause trouble at any level.
I do agree, I support neither team and wasn't being tit for tat. Just pointing out that it's all well and good "condemning" the actions of Chelsea when they were as big a culprit themselves. Just pointing out that they only improved once they'd been hit by tragedy, and therefor aren't a shining example like they seem to think there now are.
Re the tribalism of footy. its this that makes it so popular, yes it boils over and the chanting of certain things does take it too far. But by and large I've not seen anything on hear that I wouldn't hear down the pub and take as banter. There are idiots in all walks of life with stupid views. Be they council house terrace fans or leafy suburb golf fans. Or vice versus. Society has a loooong was to go before that changes.
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Sorry but not everything is in place.
Too many decent supporters continue to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear towards the sort of behaviour that we all condemn. It is hard, I know, but things will only change when we do take positive action and stop acting like kids by saying "he started it."
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It comes in all shapes and forms but vile chanting and abuse is widespread amongst all teams. Chanting and glorying about the various football disasters is terrible, of course, and I have heard racist or sexist or homophobic or sectarian abuse at every single professional football match I have ever attended. It was a significant factor in my decision to give up my season ticket several years ago; I was ashamed and embarrassed to be part of it even though not an active participant (once I grew up and moved on from the "crowd mentality", at least, as Liverbirdie mentioned).
That's from supporters of my team, from the opposition and from fans of other teams at matches I attended as a neutral. No team is exempt, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise and very wrong to attempt to excuse fans of your own team by pointing at other team's supporters. It's a football problem, not an particular club's problem.
It's very rare to see anyone confront another fan about this and, except when it's done by a parent with a young child present, I've never seen it go well. I admit to being too scared to challenge anyone in the heat of the moment, other than people I was already friends with. I wouldn't advocate individuals trying it although if a critical mass of "decent" supporters did just that things might eventually change....
That's from supporters of my team, from the opposition and from fans of other teams at matches I attended as a neutral. No team is exempt, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise and very wrong to attempt to excuse fans of your own team by pointing at other team's supporters. It's a football problem, not an particular club's problem.
It's very rare to see anyone confront another fan about this and, except when it's done by a parent with a young child present, I've never seen it go well. I admit to being too scared to challenge anyone in the heat of the moment, other than people I was already friends with. I wouldn't advocate individuals trying it although if a critical mass of "decent" supporters did just that things might eventually change....
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Oh yes there was! Back in the 70's they were definitely as bad as anyone else.
I was thinking exactly that, you beat me to it. :thup:
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Foxholer
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And I can remember seeing a documentary about Football Hooliganism from Chelsea 'supporters' around 1999/2000 that actually got some ringleaders jailed - and those of the 'opponents' as well!
And to be fair, it wasn't just Chelsea at the time - nor now. It's the general tribalism nature of a 'fan'.
And while the infrastructure for 'policing' unruly/illegal activity is in place, there needs to be more publishing of actual results imo. And if 'everything is in place', how come it's not working!
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Sorry was meaning the vile chants about Hillsborough etc
Yes there was the Headhunters who used to have running battles with the firms from Millwall and West Ham etc
and Liverpool Urchins...
don't forget your own, very easy to name others and isolate it to London clubs!
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Every club had a firm and although policed a lot better the aggro is bubbling along just under the surface and breaks out every so often.
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File them under the etc
The two London clubs were mentioned because they are the ones that have been highlighted in programmes etc
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For goodness' sake people, can we please just accept that our own club, whoever that maybe, has an element of vile supporters.
I've even seen police intervening during a Woking v Farnborough game in the Conference many, many moons ago.
There is no kudos to be gained by proving that so and so's supporters are worse than those of your own club.
ALL clubs have an element of filth ......................... let's just accept this, move on and try to keep on topic.
If that's such a problem, open a new thread entitled 'Your supporters are Viler Than Ours ............ Discuss'.
Slime.
I've even seen police intervening during a Woking v Farnborough game in the Conference many, many moons ago.
There is no kudos to be gained by proving that so and so's supporters are worse than those of your own club.
ALL clubs have an element of filth ......................... let's just accept this, move on and try to keep on topic.
If that's such a problem, open a new thread entitled 'Your supporters are Viler Than Ours ............ Discuss'.
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This thread is in real danger of getting extremely silly. Cut it out or its finished.
Last warning.
Last warning.
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So to summerise this thread re the Hillsborough/heysel shouts from the Chelsea lot because Liverpool have/will/do sing Munich songs it's ok??
With regards to Liverpool getting the English clubs banned from Europe, they were the final nail in coffin as Liverpool Everton Leeds Villa Spurs all had problems in Europe with hooligans. But there's nothing like a good story I suppose.....
I honestly can't remember hearing Hillsborough/Heysel shouts from Chelsea all through the 90's and until they become a big team in 2004.
With regards to Liverpool getting the English clubs banned from Europe, they were the final nail in coffin as Liverpool Everton Leeds Villa Spurs all had problems in Europe with hooligans. But there's nothing like a good story I suppose.....
I honestly can't remember hearing Hillsborough/Heysel shouts from Chelsea all through the 90's and until they become a big team in 2004.
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Or you could say that all teams have a few idiots that follow them,& Liverpool aren't always the victims.
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Come on now everyone knows that Liverpool fans are the kings of mopery.
All teams have knuckledraggers even Berwick Rangers.Anyone that says their team doesn't is in denial.
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Who mentioned being victim's?
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Pin-seeker
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I've heard it mentioned once or twice.
