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Jose Mourinho's Chelsea

Fish said:
My god its like an old record, over and over and over....

Notice you haven't chosen to responded to this from one of your own old faithful, is he wrong?

http://m.skysports.com/article/football//9288355
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How does that change my point

He is manager of a team currently sat a top the premiership

Your team had a good win and it appears the celebrations are still going on

It doesn't seem to have put your team above Liverpool so enjoy the celebrations of going from 3rd last season to 3rd this season.

Yep in the past we had some performances when we had our backs to the wall and dug out results - no one had suggested we haven't but that's in the past - I do believe you didn't want people to constantly go into the past ?

I'm giving praise to my teams manager because I believe he deserves it and has the results to back it up - if you don't like that then I'm sorry - deal with it
 
Pin-seeker said:
No need to start getting personal mate.
Have a bit of class yourself
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Not making it personal, just replying to the ones who did. From the outside looking in it would suggest that Chelsea fans are not bothered by this. When you have become the Liverpool echo correspondent for trouble around Anfield after games, some Liverpool fans have showed embarrassment, or denounced it.
 
Fans will be fans, each team in every league from Premier to Blue Square will have fans who are bad people. Let's just put that out there. Having a pop at any group of fans is pretty naive, it won't take much Googling to find a team's lot of fans being less than kind.

Seems that there are some pretty desperate attempts to belittle any team but their own on this thread, and let it be known, it just makes the person saying it look like a child who's toys are all out their pram.

LiverpoolPhil - my god man, just accept you were beat by the better team on the weekend. Bad tactics, a less than admirable manager, awfully disrespectful fans, too much money being spent on the team, lucky goals on the counter, un-entertaining football from the winning team are ALL excuses for Liverpool losing to Chelsea on Sunday. And I'm sure I've missed one or two other barrel-scraping excuses too.

Get over it. Suck it up. Move on.

If Liverpool win the league, I'm certain you'll start a thread with a big picture of Gerrard as the re-incarnation of Jesus Christ himself, and Rogers the Virgin Mary. And that's your choice. But until then, give it a rest?
 
chris661 said:
Time for a few folks to take a step back before this starts to get really silly please.

Thanks.
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I couldn't agree more. I smell a whiff of tit for tat in the air, and that ain't good.

murphthemog said:
If Chelsea hadn't fluked the first goal, forcing Liverpool to come out more, would it have been nil, nil?

I didn't watch the game, but often this is the case with defensively set up teams.
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If Gerrard hadn't cocked up & let Chelsea in is more accurate. They only 'fluked it' because of a Liverpool error, it's not like it was a dodgy penalty, an offside goal or a wickedly deflected shot that was going wide!
Are you borrowing Phil's blinkers? :whistle:

I did watch the game. Chelsea out thought Liverpool ...................... it was as simple as that.


Slime.
 
dufferman said:
Fans will be fans, each team in every league from Premier to Blue Square will have fans who are bad people. Let's just put that out there. Having a pop at any group of fans is pretty naive, it won't take much Googling to find a team's lot of fans being less than kind.

Seems that there are some pretty desperate attempts to belittle any team but their own on this thread, and let it be known, it just makes the person saying it look like a child who's toys are all out their pram.

LiverpoolPhil - my god man, just accept you were beat by the better team on the weekend. Bad tactics, a less than admirable manager, awfully disrespectful fans, too much money being spent on the team, lucky goals on the counter, un-entertaining football from the winning team are ALL excuses for Liverpool losing to Chelsea on Sunday. And I'm sure I've missed one or two other barrel-scraping excuses too.

Get over it. Suck it up. Move on.

If Liverpool win the league, I'm certain you'll start a thread with a big picture of Gerrard as the re-incarnation of Jesus Christ himself, and Rogers the Virgin Mary. And that's your choice. But until then, give it a rest?
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:eek:

Please tell me that's a typo.


Slime.
 
dufferman said:
Fans will be fans, each team in every league from Premier to Blue Square will have fans who are bad people. Let's just put that out there. Having a pop at any group of fans is pretty naive, it won't take much Googling to find a team's lot of fans being less than kind.

Seems that there are some pretty desperate attempts to belittle any team but their own on this thread, and let it be known, it just makes the person saying it look like a child who's toys are all out their pram.

LiverpoolPhil - my god man, just accept you were beat by the better team on the weekend. Bad tactics, a less than admirable manager, awfully disrespectful fans, too much money being spent on the team, lucky goals on the counter, un-entertaining football from the winning team are ALL excuses for Liverpool losing to Chelsea on Sunday. And I'm sure I've missed one or two other barrel-scraping excuses too.

Get over it. Suck it up. Move on.

If Liverpool win the league, I'm certain you'll start a thread with a big picture of Gerrard as the re-incarnation of Jesus Christ himself, and Rogers the Virgin Mary. And that's your choice. But until then, give it a rest?
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If you don't like what is being posted then I'm sure the thread is easily ignored

Enjoy your day :thup:
 
dufferman said:
Fans will be fans, each team in every league from Premier to Blue Square will have fans who are bad people. Let's just put that out there. Having a pop at any group of fans is pretty naive, it won't take much Googling to find a team's lot of fans being less than kind.
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That's the whole point that you've obviously missed. The default position is to show examples of when the other fans have done similar, instead of apologising or trying to change things. Sheesh, it's not that hard to work out. Anyway, what I thought has been shown to be true, so not worth carrying it on really.
 
Liverbirdie said:
That's the whole point that you've obviously missed. The default position is to show examples of when the other fans have done similar, instead of apologising or trying to change things. Sheesh, it's not that hard to work out. Anyway, what I thought has been shown to be true, so not worth carrying it on really.
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The point is, that it's not Chelsea's fault that a bunch of mindless idiots follow the team. It's also not another Chelsea fans place to apologise for something someone else did, just because they are one of millions of people across the globe that support the same team.

That goes across the board - Liverpool, City, Norwich, Burnley, Cheltenham Town, Woking Town... we all know that some people are stupid, but having to consistantly apologise for it would mean this very forum would be full of people apologising for something a fan said or did. I don't know what happened after the Liverpool game Sunday, because I don't follow the BBC sport pages all night and day, and don't keep my TV on Sky Sports News... why is that something I have to apologise for?
 
Liverbirdie said:
That's the whole point that you've obviously missed. The default position is to show examples of when the other fans have done similar, instead of apologising or trying to change things. Sheesh, it's not that hard to work out. Anyway, what I thought has been shown to be true, so not worth carrying it on really.
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The trouble is that even otherwise reasonable folk get tribal when it comes to their football clubs and start subconsciously defending behaviour that they would condemn elsewhere.
You are quite right, instead of citing "tit for tat" examples all fans, clubs and authorities need to finally "grow a pair" and by their actions, not just words, make it obvious that any of this anti-social, scum-like behaviour is completely unacceptable and has nothing to do with supporting your team.

Society in general contributes to this problem but all the different constituents of football can start to eradicate it from our game.

If fans witness this behaviour they should identify the culprits to the authorities and nit say "well, the other lot started it".
Clubs should make it clear that they will not tolerate it by, wherever necessary, closing certain sections of their grounds.
The courts and authorities can play their part by imposing deterrent sentences to make it obvious that we have had enough of these idiots and their effect upon the perception of our game.

I write this as a supporter of 56 years standing of a club that has, itself, suffered more than many others from the actions of a lunatic fringe and yes I have told people to "shut up" on occasions but sadly there have been other times when, through weight of numbers, I have bottled it.
I never said it was easy but we must all try in future to play our part to return the decency to the game.
 
1984-85 season – 10,000 people on the Kop singing 1 of about 5-6 different Munich songs. Me amongst them as a14 year old highly impressionable youth, who copied what was being done around me.

1985 – Heysel happened, afterwards I questioned to myself all things being a football and Liverpool fan. I decided to stop singing Munich, the songs that were sung at Spurs and any other of this ilk. Quite a lot of other Liverpool fans did, but nowhere near enough.

1987 ish – Whenever LFC were not playing Man united (vast majority of the time) anyone starting an anti-Man U song was shouted down, be it a Munich song or not.

1989 – Post-Hillsborough vast, vast majority of LFC fans stop singing Munich songs. Far too late, but at least they did.

There are some Liverpool fans who still sing these songs but it is small majority, but it is never sung by hundreds any more especially inside the match.No-one generally even tries it, although the odd sporadic divvy.

This shows that if the majority can drown out, shout down or generally make it unacceptable to do this, fan culture can change.

Instead of being childish and saying “well they started it”, they’re doing this – maybe make a change for the better.

Try reading a bit of ThomasJefferson (no, he wasn’t Wenger’s scouse fox in the box):-

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."


"Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day."


If not, the “mindless” will come to represent Chelsea fans. I know all Chelsea fans are not like this, but these are what isstaining your clubs reputation. Time to act? Only you can change it. Point made. nothing to do with Sunday's result. I posted about the football, this I only seen yesterday.

Edit - I read Metal mickie's comments after typing this - Well said that man.
 
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Liverbirdie said:
1984-85 season – 10,000 people on the Kop singing 1 of about 5-6 different Munich songs. Me amongst them as a14 year old highly impressionable youth, who copied what was being done around me.

1985 – Heysel happened, afterwards I questioned to myself all things being a football and Liverpool fan. I decided to stop singing Munich, the songs that were sung at Spurs and any other of this ilk. Quite a lot of other Liverpool fans did, but nowhere near enough.

1987 ish – Whenever LFC were not playing Man united (vast majority of the time) anyone starting an anti-Man U song was shouted down, be it a Munich song or not.

1989 – Post-Hillsborough vast, vast majority of LFC fans stop singing Munich songs. Far too late, but at least they did.

There are some Liverpool fans who still sing these songs but it is small majority, but it is never sung by hundreds any more especially inside the match.No-one generally even tries it, although the odd sporadic divvy.

This shows that if the majority can drown out, shout down or generally make it unacceptable to do this, fan culture can change.

Instead of being childish and saying “well they started it”, they’re doing this – maybe make a change for the better.

Try reading a bit of ThomasJefferson (no, he wasn’t Wenger’s scouse fox in the box):-

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."


"Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day."


If not, the “mindless” will come to represent Chelsea fans. I know all Chelsea fans are not like this, but these are what isstaining your clubs reputation. Time to act? Only you can change it. Point made. nothing to do with Sunday's result. I posted about the football, this I only seen yesterday.

Edit - I read Metal mickie's comments after typing this - Well said that man.
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Great post LB, but to my knowledge Chelsea only started with the hillsborough/heysel songs since they became 'billy big time' and apart from Everton and United i can't remember any of the other clubs singing about it.
 
Liverbirdie said:
1984-85 season – 10,000 people on the Kop singing 1 of about 5-6 different Munich songs. Me amongst them as a14 year old highly impressionable youth, who copied what was being done around me.

1985 – Heysel happened, afterwards I questioned to myself all things being a football and Liverpool fan. I decided to stop singing Munich, the songs that were sung at Spurs and any other of this ilk. Quite a lot of other Liverpool fans did, but nowhere near enough.

1987 ish – Whenever LFC were not playing Man united (vast majority of the time) anyone starting an anti-Man U song was shouted down, be it a Munich song or not.

1989 – Post-Hillsborough vast, vast majority of LFC fans stop singing Munich songs. Far too late, but at least they did.

There are some Liverpool fans who still sing these songs but it is small majority, but it is never sung by hundreds any more especially inside the match.No-one generally even tries it, although the odd sporadic divvy.

This shows that if the majority can drown out, shout down or generally make it unacceptable to do this, fan culture can change.

Instead of being childish and saying “well they started it”, they’re doing this – maybe make a change for the better.

Try reading a bit of ThomasJefferson (no, he wasn’t Wenger’s scouse fox in the box):-

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."


"Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day."


If not, the “mindless” will come to represent Chelsea fans. I know all Chelsea fans are not like this, but these are what isstaining your clubs reputation. Time to act? Only you can change it. Point made. nothing to do with Sunday's result. I posted about the football, this I only seen yesterday.

Edit - I read Metal mickie's comments after typing this - Well said that man.
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Whilst I do fully agree that any chanting abut disasters is out of order. Your time line suggests that the Liverpool fans only had a change if heart because they were involved in tragedies themselves. So whilst I think any fan caught doing it should be evicted and banned. Could they not use the defence of sorry I didn't realise how hurtful it was as it's never happened to me?
 
Do you really think that's a "defence" for chanting vile chants or doing vile things ?

Liverpool fans in the past have done some shameful things and we have apologised for it and fans and the club have been punished for it

Lots of things have been thrown at Liverpool fans and at times rightly so

But the point that LB has made is other fans recently have done some shocking things - the booing and chanting at the Hillsborough minute silence , the reported spitting at the memorial and the chants on the train etc

But they have just been ignored , why hasn't a Chelsea fan on here condoned the actions of a minority of their fans ?

If I'm honest I'm not surprised but as LB says it's a mystery where the sudden hated and vile stuff from Chelsea fans has come from ? Before 05 there was nothing - but since then it's appaling. It appears that the lack of class displayed by the manager has filtered down to a small minority of fans.

A couple of FC are Chelsea fans and they were disgusted by some things that have happened recently

I wish that the Liverpool fans didn't react to the chants etc and they should be bigger and ignore it. No excuse for violent reactions and the guilty ones from Liverpool should be punished
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do you really think that's a "defence" for chanting vile chants or doing vile things ?

Liverpool fans in the past have done some shameful things and we have apologised for it and fans and the club have been punished for it

Lots of things have been thrown at Liverpool fans and at times rightly so

But the point that LB has made is other fans recently have done some shocking things - the booing and chanting at the Hillsborough minute silence , the reported spitting at the memorial and the chants on the train etc

But they have just been ignored , why hasn't a Chelsea fan on here condoned the actions of a minority of their fans ?

If I'm honest I'm not surprised but as LB says it's a mystery where the sudden hated and vile stuff from Chelsea fans has come from ? Before 05 there was nothing - but since then it's appaling. It appears that the lack of class displayed by the manager has filtered down to a small minority of fans.

A couple of FC are Chelsea fans and they were disgusted by some things that have happened recently

I wish that the Liverpool fans didn't react to the chants etc and they should be bigger and ignore it. No excuse for violent reactions and the guilty ones from Liverpool should be punished
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i havent said said chelsea actions are in the slightest bit acceptable. But you keep calling for them to condone it. Do you think that was happening when thousands at the kop were chanting about it in the 70/80's.

What chelsea have done is inexcusable, of course it is. But showing how compassionate Liverpool fans are now doesn't mean they have a right to preach when there were obviously plenty of fans who acted just as poorly.

Re your rivalry, I'd say it goes both ways. I think it's because Chelsea are obviously a smaller club than Liverpool and arw trying to take their place towards the top of the English clubs, whilst Liverpool have been (until this season) falling away on the European scene. So the rivalry goes both ways "no class and no history" versus "fading giant living in the past".

alsoLets not forget, your actions got everyone punished. Not just yourselves.
 
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Papas1982 said:
Re your rivalry, I'd say it goes both ways. I think it's because Chelsea are obviously a smaller club than Liverpool and are trying to take their place towards the top of the English clubs, whilst Liverpool have been (until this season) falling away on the European scene. So the rivalry goes both ways "no class and no history" versus "fading giant living in the past"..
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Oh I do like that (runs off to get new big flag made) :thup:

Papas1982 said:
also, Lets not forget, your actions got everyone punished. Not just yourselves.
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Quite right :thup:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
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But the point that LB has made is other fans recently have done some shocking things - the booing and chanting at the Hillsborough minute silence , the reported spitting at the memorial and the chants on the train etc

But they have just been ignored , why hasn't a Chelsea fan on here condoned the actions of a minority of their fans ?
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Papas1982 said:
i havent said said chelsea actions are in the slightest bit acceptable. But you keep calling for them to condone it....
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I trust you actually mean 'condemned'!

Rather significant difference!
 
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Papas1982 said:
i havent said said chelsea actions are in the slightest bit acceptable. But you keep calling for them to condone it. Do you think that was happening when thousands at the kop were chanting about it in the 70/80's.

What chelsea have done is inexcusable, of course it is. But showing how compassionate Liverpool fans are now doesn't mean they have a right to preach when there were obviously plenty of fans who acted just as poorly.

Re your rivalry, I'd say it goes both ways. I think it's because Chelsea are obviously a smaller club than Liverpool and arw trying to take their place towards the top of the English clubs, whilst Liverpool have been (until this season) falling away on the European scene. So the rivalry goes both ways "no class and no history" versus "fading giant living in the past".

alsoLets not forget, your actions got everyone punished. Not just yourselves.
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I take it that you and Liverpoolphil don't agree with the comments I made in Post #190
 
Tbf to Liverpool, Heysel was pretty much the straw that broke the camels back in terms of UEFA sanctions against English clubs.

Although not the only country with a hooligan problem England was pretty bad back then. Have we forgot the likes of the ICF, Headhunters, Bushwackers, Zulus, Naughty Forty, Red Army etc? The nation team had problems everywhere they went too, so the sanctions were not all the fault of one club.

On a lighter note, my team didn't half benefit from the ban UEFA imposed on English clubs. :)
 
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