SwingsitlikeHogan
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Erm - methinks there are only one constituency with their head in the sand - and when they pop up for air they see unicorns....
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Erm - methinks there are only one constituency with their head in the sand - and when they pop up for air they see unicorns....
Verily did he say unto him, I have much chortled.
If truth be told, neither side really knows what’s ahead. As the as is, if we stay in the EU, will end shortly with the ending of the current budget phase. Add to that the proposals for an EU Chancellor, who will have the final say on domestic budgets, and a president with greater powers...
drdel
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Perhaps you could recognise that the world has changed to be global in virtually everyway. Very few organisations limit themselves by geography or regional thinking.
The EU has become protectionist.
Rather than 'looking back' I'd suggest we look forward with a strategy that actually recognises the 'globalisation that has happend!
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EU has always been protectionist. Farmers in Africa have struggled for 40 years as the CAP has prevented them from exporting here.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Yes indeed - a globalisation that has happened over the last 40 yrs and that the UK has been able to adapt to (sometimes well - sometimes not so well) and take advantage of (sometimes very well indeed) whilst being part of the EU.
The UK has absolutely no experience of living in a globalised economy by itself - and as a result we have absolutely no idea how we will fare as a singleton out there. Much of the Leave rhetoric harks back to days of greatness - days when - as you so rightly say - the world was nothing like it is today, and even back then - when we might have been great - much of our greatness, wealth and strength (all of which as a nation we undoubtedly did have) was built on the backs and pains of the people and lands - as well as the markets - of the Empire.
So I agree 100% - let's not go back there...let's look forward.
Some big assumptions in there. Do you know our people don’t have the right experience to negotiate? No you obviously don’t know. Where do you think the EU gets its negotiating teams from? From the various member states.
When an EU environmental sciences team went out to China 3 years ago they negotiated a multi-million pound deal. The whole team was from the UK.
SocketRocket
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You have a naive understanding on how trade works. Do you think the EU oversees British companies opening business around the world, do you think they hold your hand and guide business so that obtaining global contracts becomes a process that they dont have to compete for as long as Uncle Junker is in your corner. It's nothing like that, you get global business by getting out there with goods and services that can compete in the World and then work your bits off and take risks to get established in new markets. It isn't or ever has been anything to do with membership of the EU, if anything they make it more difficult with their protectionist culture.
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Showed this to a group of folk from a Shipping Agency this morning.... they laughed long and loud.
Back on the topic of the "scumbag friend of the terrorist".... Can anyone seriously vote for him? If so , why?
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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May well be the - why should I have anything but a layman's view on how trade works? And I might suggest that the vast majority of the electorate know just as little as I. And so the expectations on new trade deals held by many who voted leave are simply based upon the rhetoric and assertions of those who claimed to know - like Dr Liam Fox - and even those who claimed to know can provide no real assessment of the likely trade that will be required to replace that to the EU that we will lose (or they are not letting us know)
So we hear Leave voter after voter confident on the great trade deals that are out there because Johnson, Davis, Gove and Fox say they are there. It's faith-based politics
I have little faith in Jeremy Corbyn - but perhaps I would put up with 5 yrs of a Corbyn-led labour government if it meant something real in respect of a CU with the EU - maybe able something beneficial and positive in respect of the SM...
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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I am glad they found it amusing.
May well be the - why should I have anything but a layman's view on how trade works? And I might suggest that the vast majority of the electorate know just as little as I. And so the expectations on new trade deals held by many who voted leave are simply based upon the rhetoric and assertions of those who claimed to know - like Dr Liam Fox - and even those who claimed to know can provide no real assessment of the likely trade that will be required to replace that to the EU that we will lose (or they are not letting us know)
So we hear Leave voter after voter confident on the great trade deals that are out there because Johnson, Davis, Gove and Fox say they are there. It's faith-based politics
I have little faith in Jeremy Corbyn - but perhaps I would put up with 5 yrs of a Corbyn-led labour government if it meant something real in respect of a CU with the EU - maybe able something beneficial and positive in respect of the SM...
So if you know nothing, as you've said, why are you beating the drum and telling everyone and their dog we don't have the experience? By your own admission, you're, at best, a layman. Yet you rail log and hard with such authority.
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That is the funniest thing you've ever said. Straight after an admission that you don't understand trade.
I guess your understanding of Corbyn's fiscal plans and connection to terrorists is on a similar level.
Mods....help!
Tashyboy
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Owd Jezza has been front page in the Mansfield area of late, what with our esteemed Tory MP Ben Bradley calling him a spy. Seeing as Jezza has never done a days work in his life, don't know what or who he could spy on. Anyway all is well coz Benny Boy has agreed to pay an undisclosed sum to Jezzas fave Charity. Which just happens to be for the poor folk of Mansfield, which don't really narrow it down. The fact that Mansfield is now a run down dump of a town which the former Labour MP Alan Meale did sod all to address seems to of been lost on Jezza.
Now seeing as Benny lied about Jezza and had to pay a sum of brass to Jezzas Charity. Now Jezza has done a 180 turn and in essence lied to his supporters about where he stood on Brexit. When is he gonna apologise and how much of a undisclosed sum of brass wil he pay to anyone's charity.
How anyone can support him when he don't even know from week to week what he stands for is beyond me.
Now seeing as Benny lied about Jezza and had to pay a sum of brass to Jezzas Charity. Now Jezza has done a 180 turn and in essence lied to his supporters about where he stood on Brexit. When is he gonna apologise and how much of a undisclosed sum of brass wil he pay to anyone's charity.
How anyone can support him when he don't even know from week to week what he stands for is beyond me.
Hacker Khan
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Because a lot of the younger generation and those who want to protect our public services and NHS and are not just obsessed with how well the economy can work for them, feel very disillusioned with the Tory party??? And if the Tory supporters just continue to dismiss him with cheap stereotypes taken from the headlines of The Mail or Telegraph then you are kind of playing into their hands. Argue the facts with evidence and we can have a proper debate.
SocketRocket
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Trade is out there in the World and it will always be up to entrepreneurs and people in business to go out and sell into international markets. I have been involved with doing this in many countries outside Europe like the USA, Japan and China, the EU or the UK dont do this for you, all they can do is support you through trade initiatives and in my experience the only place I got this was from our own Government who I must say had some very good quality people on tap. Please dont get confused with how EU membership affects international trade, the main thing they can do is help create free trade and because of their protectionist culture they are not good at that. Also we will not stop trading with the EU so it's not a matter of losing trade, the leading players in the EU know how important trade with the UK is to them and all this current banter will be quickly forgotten in a few years after we have left. Corbyn is a nasty person who speaks with a forked tongue and will jump down on any side of the fence that suits his need for power and the implementation of his flawed concepts. He has just done exactly this and gone against his life long principles.May well be the - why should I have anything but a layman's view on how trade works? And I might suggest that the vast majority of the electorate know just as little as I. And so the expectations on new trade deals held by many who voted leave are simply based upon the rhetoric and assertions of those who claimed to know - like Dr Liam Fox - and even those who claimed to know can provide no real assessment of the likely trade that will be required to replace that to the EU that we will lose (or they are not letting us know)
So we hear Leave voter after voter confident on the great trade deals that are out there because Johnson, Davis, Gove and Fox say they are there. It's faith-based politics
I have little faith in Jeremy Corbyn - but perhaps I would put up with 5 yrs of a Corbyn-led labour government if it meant something real in respect of a CU with the EU - maybe able something beneficial and positive in respect of the SM...
Hacker Khan
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Replace the word Corbyn with Boris Johnson and that sentence would be just as correct. Which kind of sums up where we are with current politics. To be honest I don't respect either of them for their stance on this mater.
Can’t disagree with that. But if we’re putting together a list of politicians that are not on my favourites list it would have a few more added. McDonnell ahead of Corbyn, and Fox a close second to Boris. Add in Nick Clegg, who I used to admire greatly.
MegaSteve
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Only the folk living in his constituency can answer this...
And, if he was the best choice for Islington [and I lived there] I'd vote for him...
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IF is a huge word.... Islington is an odd place. Lots of posh white folk apologising for themselves......
Hacker Khan
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Try and listen to https://www.joe.co.uk/unfiltered/unfiltered-with-james-obrien-episode-17-sir-nick-clegg-161257 I found it a really interesting listen. And at least to me Fox is pretty consistent with his views, no matter how unpalatable I find them.
