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Jeremy Corbyn

Hobbit said:
That and he is a bare faced liar. When asked numerous times if he had met the IRA he has always said he hasn't, and then Diane Abbott dropped him in it big time. She said he had but the following day tried to qualify that by saying the men were representing Sinn Fein on the day he met them... he is a liar, end of.
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No problems, just a misdemeanor

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Not quite getting the right wing press still going after Corbyn on this Czech diplomat/spy thing.

Have they forgotten that Corbyn is a Privy Councillor and will have been security vetted to the n'th degree in advance of him being given access to national security briefings. Or are we now to be told that our security vetting teams are not quite as good as we like to think, and that they could have missed his 'many' contacts with this diplomat/spy in the mid-late 1980s.

Or are they just going after him on the basis that if they throw enough mud at Corbyn they can then tell us that some has stuck - regardless of whether it has or not. And those who are worried about Labour can declaim 'rejoice' - Corbyn is muddy.
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He's leader of the opposition which gets him on the council. He would have been vetted but why would you think they would release information of his vetting to the public.
 
IanM said:
The trouble is that he seems to support causes/organisations/countries that are our enemies..... simple as that.

As for the Right Wing Press (which he promised to close down yesterday if he gets to be PM) telling lies about him selling secrets to the Eastern Bloc... well, it's been nearly a week and no writs issued yet........ I'd have had them issued within an hour!

Yesterday he also threatened to wipe out the most profitable sector of our economy. Hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions in tax revenue. Yep....he believes Venezuela is a success... so he wants that here. Utter wombat!

And do you really think that anyone who has been a Spy has never been security vetted????
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You might like to pretend that he said he'd do that but I think if you listen to what he actually said - then he said nothing of the sort - he just warned the media barons that 'change is coming' under a Labour Government - and rather than this be something chilling maybe he is simply talking about the second stage of the Leveson Inquiry going ahead. Now if you wish to draw from that that he is going to close down some of the press then on you go - draw away...

I don't understand your last point about vetting. I suggest that his vetting would have been sufficient to uncover any nefarious activities from his previous life as a well known irritating and agitating leftie backbencher. He wasn't exactly a shrinking violet that kept well under the radar. If our security services had missed that he'd spoken with this Czechoslovakian diplomat then maybe they are not quite as 'on the ball' as we might want them to be.

But hey ho - keep throwing them mud and encouraging those who do it regularly to throw more. I doubt many Corbyn supporters - or potential supporters - are much listening.
 
Hobbit said:
Maybe this didn't come out till the Czech Security Service reached their 30 years for disclosure.

But a question that was posed in one of the papers this week. In all the meetings with The IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas why didn't Corbyn meet groups from the other side of that particular divide? Why didn't he meet with the Unionist groups, and why didn't he meet with representatives of the Jewish communities?

I don't see it as right wing 'v' left wing, I just see a guy that I just don't trust in the slightest because of who he has met and the lack of balance.

That and he is a bare faced liar. When asked numerous times if he had met the IRA he has always said he hasn't, and then Diane Abbott dropped him in it big time. She said he had but the following day tried to qualify that by saying the men were representing Sinn Fein on the day he met them... he is a liar, end of.
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Not sure that I trust him either - and at the moment I struggle to support Labour under him.

And maybe he could or should have met with both sides of every argument - but clearly he was just perhaps more interested in understanding those he considered to be the repressed...those in control already having plenty of support.

Politicians - liars - yup - now where is that big red bus.
 
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I watched JC's rebuttal video earlier, in which he threatens the media. Put the threat to one side a second and listen to the tone of it. He jokes about telling of Maggie Thatcher's breakfast... he had the opportunity to send a serious rebuttal yet he turns it into a joke. Is that really the best way to answer some very serious accusations? He also plays the victim very well, and then offers a very serious threat on the back of what he sees as the people's revolution at the last GE. Even the threat itself carried a subtle racist comment about media owners living abroad - what relevance does where they live in the context of what he is replying to?

How should he have replied? Well how about providing evidence from his Commons diary. How about actually asking for a full inquiry, instead of dodging it with jokes? How about using the libel laws, or would that only lead to the accusations having to be proven in a court which he is uncomfortable with?

Its strange when you look at Corbyn's CV and see how many times he railed against his own party and didn't follow the Whip. How he spoke of freedoms, and yet he wants to bring in more laws and restrict the press. You only have to look at how easily he is willing to sack members of the shadow Cabinet to see how much is do as I say not do as I do.
 
Hobbit said:
I watched JC's rebuttal video earlier, in which he threatens the media. Put the threat to one side a second and listen to the tone of it. He jokes about telling of Maggie Thatcher's breakfast... he had the opportunity to send a serious rebuttal yet he turns it into a joke. Is that really the best way to answer some very serious accusations? He also plays the victim very well, and then offers a very serious threat on the back of what he sees as the people's revolution at the last GE. Even the threat itself carried a subtle racist comment about media owners living abroad - what relevance does where they live in the context of what he is replying to?

How should he have replied? Well how about providing evidence from his Commons diary. How about actually asking for a full inquiry, instead of dodging it with jokes? How about using the libel laws, or would that only lead to the accusations having to be proven in a court which he is uncomfortable with?

Its strange when you look at Corbyn's CV and see how many times he railed against his own party and didn't follow the Whip. How he spoke of freedoms, and yet he wants to bring in more laws and restrict the press. You only have to look at how easily he is willing to sack members of the shadow Cabinet to see how much is do as I say not do as I do.
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Did you watch the link I posted? Maybe he made light of it as the accusations are a joke.
 
pauldj42 said:
Did you watch the link I posted? Maybe he made light of it as the accusations are a joke.
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Yes, I watched your link. I'm actually not interested in what the Tories are making of it, I'd like JC to answer the questions posed to him in an intelligent, serious way. Let's not forget, although published by the Sun and taken up by other newspapers, there is documentary evidence from the Czechs. Prove that one way or the other would be the right thing to do, not make political mileage out of it as the Tories have tried to do or jokes as he has done. Maybe they are a joke, but prove it would be my question to him.

But on a wider note, how much smoke does the guy need to make before people will realise there's a fire? He's got a great social conscience but his politics, for me, go beyond that into areas and beliefs I'm really uncomfortable with.
 
Hobbit said:
Yes, I watched your link. I'm actually not interested in what the Tories are making of it, I'd like JC to answer the questions posed to him in an intelligent, serious way. Let's not forget, although published by the Sun and taken up by other newspapers, there is documentary evidence from the Czechs. Prove that one way or the other would be the right thing to do, not make political mileage out of it as the Tories have tried to do or jokes as he has done. Maybe they are a joke, but prove it would be my question to him.

But on a wider note, how much smoke does the guy need to make before people will realise there's a fire? He's got a great social conscience but his politics, for me, go beyond that into areas and beliefs I'm really uncomfortable with.
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In the link it’s stated there are no Stasi files or Czech evidence, apart from a file with his name on and they had a file on every UK politician in them days.

Unfortunately rather than deal in hard evidence, that they already have, against him they run every rumour and whisper to the point were everything will get dismissed.
 
The Stasi files also had no information in them regarding Mrs Merkels alleged involvement with them but that has been questioned in the past.

Intelligence agencies can make information disappear when it's required and I'm sure ours have when it suits.
 
pauldj42 said:
In the link it’s stated there are no Stasi files or Czech evidence, apart from a file with his name on and they had a file on every UK politician in them days.

Unfortunately rather than deal in hard evidence, that they already have, against him they run every rumour and whisper to the point were everything will get dismissed.
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The file shown in the Telegraph(?) only showed that he had met with Corbyn but didn't have the detail of what was discussed. I doubt very much a back bencher, especially one who wasn't popular in his own party, would have access to anything sensitive. However, it begs the question why was an opposition MP meeting with an employee of a foreign government at the height of the Cold War.

In my opinion, the guy was putting hie own political ideology ahead of the State. There is no law against that but I would question whether or not someone of such a far left political leaning truly represents the people. Fast forward to today, and I feel there are still flashes of the ideology showing through, and that's what frightens me, i.e. the prospect of an Orwellian government.
 
MegaSteve said:
Go on then... When did we last or ever have a government that truly represented the people?


For me... It's always been smoke and mirrors...
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Some are more representative than others - George Orwell? The far left ideology is really not central to UK politics, and Corbyn is a far left Marxist supporter. If that's what the people want, so be it but that is where he will take this country. Free holidays in Venezuela?
 
Hobbit said:
Some are more representative than others - George Orwell? The far left ideology is really not central to UK politics, and Corbyn is a far left Marxist supporter. If that's what the people want, so be it but that is where he will take this country. Free holidays in Venezuela?
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Could be said DaveCam did a good job of representing the people by giving them the vote they wanted...

The problem with having long periods of right leaning centrist governments is the people eventually start feeling being ignored... And, their eyes start looking elsewhere and surprisingly it's often looking further to the right [which, I feel, is what occurred over the water]... Clearly the media attention Jezza is getting is a sign the establishment is getting rattled which hopefully will see an improvement in the 'lot' [for people] without the pain of a big turn in political direction...
 
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