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Jeremy Corbyn

Well I've sent my postal vote in and I've gone for labour. I'm in a heavily Tory constituency so it'll be irrelevant but labour have my support.
 
Hobbit said:
I'm neither sure I agree nor disagree with that. More worrying, for me, is that behind May is a large political organisation that should run as a well oiled machine, including creating a manifesto that would not cause the furore we've seen in the last 2 weeks. To produce something so out of touch with the electorate is just plain ignorant, and maybe arrogant.

Is it that the country is in that much of a mess that it needs a radically painful manifesto? That would suggest that 7 years of Tory governance hasn't worked. But we could go back to a (Labour) party that would bankrupt the country again...

What a sad choice, a Tory party that has no real comforting answer for the social needs of the electorate, or a Labour party that WILL turn the UK economy into a pale shadow of the Greek economy.

At least I now get the opportunity to vote SNP, and independence.:eek:
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how will labour bankrupt us
the tories have doubled the debt in 7 years of failure
the labour party were in power in the worse recession we have faced, and the tories took over when the economy had bottomed out and was just starting to rise
in 7 years they have achieved one thing and that is more and more debt, their policies have not worked and as for mays leadership, well its a joke, most probably only slightly better than boris would have been but that would have been below the barrel
 
FairwayDodger said:
I disagree. When she called the election, despicable policies aside, I thought May was a much better potential pm than Corbyn and it was the work of an evil genius that would bury the Labour Party for years. Instead she's been revealed as unprincipled, inept and incapable. For all his faults JC now seems much better option than her. A complete own goal on her part.
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I have stated that I am no fan of Corbyn and also that I had hopes for May when she was elected Tory Party leader and became PM. I am still thinking Corbyn remains a significant a liability with many of the electorate - but as his stock has risen with me over the last few weeks so May's has plummeted. See appears to frankly be rather hopeless. Strong & Stable heading rapidly towards Weak & Wobbly.
 
shagster said:
how will labour bankrupt us
the tories have doubled the debt in 7 years of failure
the labour party were in power in the worse recession we have faced, and the tories took over when the economy had bottomed out and was just starting to rise
in 7 years they have achieved one thing and that is more and more debt, their policies have not worked and as for mays leadership, well its a joke, most probably only slightly better than boris would have been but that would have been below the barrel
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Of course the debt has doubled. Down to the fiscal incompetence of Gordon 'no more boom and bust' Brown, who left the country's finances in an absolutely shocking state. The coalition and Tory cuts have simply tried to slow the rate at which this debt is growing. Under Labour the debt would now be significantly greater.

Most us us probably believe that the cuts have gone further than we would like, but how else are they going to get the finances under control? It a difficult balancing act. Unfortunately Labour just want to spend more money that we haven't got. Jam today and let the future generations pay for it.
 
shagster said:
how will labour bankrupt us
the tories have doubled the debt in 7 years of failure
the labour party were in power in the worse recession we have faced, and the tories took over when the economy had bottomed out and was just starting to rise
in 7 years they have achieved one thing and that is more and more debt, their policies have not worked and as for mays leadership, well its a joke, most probably only slightly better than boris would have been but that would have been below the barrel
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When the Tories took over the debt was growing at £157bn a year. They've reduced that growth in debt to £53bn a year.

If the UK had carried on spending at the then Labour levels it would be at over £2.8trillion, not the current level of £1.7trillion.

Under Labour the UK had a greater level of borrowing than Greece, but with a better GDP. And due to inheriting that level of spending the UK lost its triple A credit rating, making borrowing even more expensive.

Like a supertanker, turning that around was difficult. Was the level of austerity imposed the right thing to do? Not for me but it would have been a far greater mess if it had stayed under Labour.
 
I started this thread in June 2015...........it might be interesting for some posters to flip back to their original posts to see if the may have either changed their minds of called it totally wrong.

Now thought that Corbyn will gather more votes than either Blair, Brown or Milliband in the last three elections
 
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Hobbit said:
I don't disagree with any of that but having Corbyn as leader of the opposition just helps the Tories. Nicola Sturgeon is a more accomplished politician than Corbyn, and she'd definitely not on my Christmas card list.

There are any number of quotes from the current top 3 in Labour that send shivers down my spine. Enough to get a really good feel for how they will direct a Cabinet.
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But on Brexit I would absolutely trust Sir Keir Starmer - more so than any of Dave Davies, Boris Johnson or Dr Fox (where's he gone?)
 
FairwayDodger said:
I disagree. When she called the election, despicable policies aside, I thought May was a much better potential pm than Corbyn and it was the work of an evil genius that would bury the Labour Party for years. Instead she's been revealed as unprincipled, inept and incapable. For all his faults JC now seems much better option than her. A complete own goal on her part.
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I am with you 100% on this - from where they started to where they are now.
 
Hobbit said:
I'm neither sure I agree nor disagree with that. More worrying, for me, is that behind May is a large political organisation that should run as a well oiled machine, including creating a manifesto that would not cause the furore we've seen in the last 2 weeks. To produce something so out of touch with the electorate is just plain ignorant, and maybe arrogant.

Is it that the country is in that much of a mess that it needs a radically painful manifesto? That would suggest that 7 years of Tory governance hasn't worked. But we could go back to a (Labour) party that would bankrupt the country again...

What a sad choice, a Tory party that has no real comforting answer for the social needs of the electorate, or a Labour party that WILL turn the UK economy into a pale shadow of the Greek economy.

At least I now get the opportunity to vote SNP, and independence.:eek:
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With a National Debt of £1300Bn cf £700Bn when the Tories came to power with the LibDems the Tories haven't exactly managed to get the country in the greatest of health themsleves.

And it wasn't Gordie wot caused it - in fact I have heard it said that it was the measures that he took that prevented a total collapse of the banks - and perhaps even the economy - in 2008
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
With a National Debt of £1300Bn cf £700Bn when the Tories came to power with the LibDems the Tories haven't exactly managed to get the country in the greatest of health themsleves.

And it wasn't Gordie wot caused it - in fact I have heard it said that it was the measures that he took that prevented a total collapse of the banks - and perhaps even the economy - in 2008
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If only he hadn't sold off the gold reserve, borrowed a fortune, raided pension funds to fund reckless spending in the first place the UK wouldn't have been so vulnerable when the prime loans and mortgages in the USA brought on the financial crash.... remind me who deregulated the banks??
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
With a National Debt of £1300Bn cf £700Bn when the Tories came to power with the LibDems the Tories haven't exactly managed to get the country in the greatest of health themsleves.

And it wasn't Gordie wot caused it - in fact I have heard it said that it was the measures that he took that prevented a total collapse of the banks - and perhaps even the economy - in 2008
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You are a Mathematician I believe, surely you can understand if a Government inherits a National Defecit of £150 Billion per year then the National Debt is going to increase massively even if you cut it progressively by two thirds over seven years. It amuses me how people like yourself say that the Tories haven't even removed the deficit on one hand and then complain about the methods they have been forced to take to reduce State spending on the other. Would you be happier with their performance by completely removing the deficit by applying massively more cuts to spending, somehow I think not, you would still be whinging about austerity. If you want to see the deficit and national debt increase out of control then just put Corbyn and his crew into government, the country will be in the same state as Greece after a term of office, how do you think Greece got it's self into such a state of debt?
 
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