Jeremy Corbyn

SocketRocket said:
Off the top of my head I cant see how you would be better off on minimum wage which would be around 13K PA whilst losing a number of your benefits. Also take into account that to earn a similar amount you would be paying income tax and National Insurance so would need to earn much more to reach that net pay.
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[TABLE="width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD]Income[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Income on benefits[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Income in work[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]per year[/TD]
[TD]per week[/TD]
[TD]per year[/TD]
[TD]per week[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Child Tax Credit[/TD]
[TD]£8,890.14[/TD]
[TD]£170.96[/TD]
[TD]£8,890.14[/TD]
[TD]£170.96[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Working Tax Credit[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£3,895.83[/TD]
[TD]£74.92[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jobseeker's Allowance (income-based)[/TD]
[TD]£6,005.01[/TD]
[TD]£114.85[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Council Tax Support[/TD]
[TD]£722.63[/TD]
[TD]£13.82[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Housing Benefit[/TD]
[TD]£14,170.00[/TD]
[TD]£272.50[/TD]
[TD]£10,055.39[/TD]
[TD]£193.37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Child Benefit[/TD]
[TD]£2,501.20[/TD]
[TD]£48.10[/TD]
[TD]£2,501.20[/TD]
[TD]£48.10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Client Earned Income (net)[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£12,269.40[/TD]
[TD]£235.95[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD]£32,288.98[/TD]
[TD]£620.24[/TD]
[TD]£37,611.96[/TD]
[TD]£723.31[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Regarding your final point, you would prefer it if you were lazy and/or unemployable.
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Well, I can again see your point but do you genuinely believe that's a big number? It may be as a proportion of town centre layabouts but that's a very small proportion of a city or towns unemployed you know.
 
Fyldewhite said:
[TABLE="width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD]Income[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Income on benefits[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Income in work[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]per year[/TD]
[TD]per week[/TD]
[TD]per year[/TD]
[TD]per week[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Child Tax Credit[/TD]
[TD]£8,890.14[/TD]
[TD]£170.96[/TD]
[TD]£8,890.14[/TD]
[TD]£170.96[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Working Tax Credit[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£3,895.83[/TD]
[TD]£74.92[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jobseeker's Allowance (income-based)[/TD]
[TD]£6,005.01[/TD]
[TD]£114.85[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Council Tax Support[/TD]
[TD]£722.63[/TD]
[TD]£13.82[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Housing Benefit[/TD]
[TD]£14,170.00[/TD]
[TD]£272.50[/TD]
[TD]£10,055.39[/TD]
[TD]£193.37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Child Benefit[/TD]
[TD]£2,501.20[/TD]
[TD]£48.10[/TD]
[TD]£2,501.20[/TD]
[TD]£48.10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Client Earned Income (net)[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£0.00[/TD]
[TD]£12,269.40[/TD]
[TD]£235.95[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD]£32,288.98[/TD]
[TD]£620.24[/TD]
[TD]£37,611.96[/TD]
[TD]£723.31[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Well, I can again see your point but do you genuinely believe that's a big number? It may be as a proportion of town centre layabouts but that's a very small proportion of a city or towns unemployed you know.
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An earned income of £12K+ would induce some tax and national Insurance. Also your numbers show that for many they will see it as not worth getting up in the morning to go to work.

Yes, I believe it's a big number. You dont need to go to city/town centres, just walk along your own high street.
 
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SocketRocket said:
I repeat! I do not wish to be involved with you or your comments and would be grateful if you did the same. You know the reason why and the potential outcome.
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You can block another user's posts and therefore not see them but you can't decide who comments. Please don't repeat the request. If the comment breaches Ts and Cs report it and the Mods will sort it out. Otherwise it is a public forum.
 
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SocketRocket said:
An earned income of £12K+ would induce some tax and national Insurance. Also your numbers show that for many they will see it as not worth getting up in the morning to go to work.

Yes, I believe it's a big number. You dont need to go to city/town centres, just walk along your own high street.
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There really is no point is there?

As already pointed out, it says (net). As for town centres....isn't that where High Streets are? Besides that though my point is that for every scumbag you see on the High Street there are many, many times that number who are not there, who are honest people, wanting to make a go of their lives and not really needing to be tarred as scroungers by people who (clearly) know very little about the system or the demographic of people who need it. They've just fallen on hard times and need some support......as the numbers show, not the huge amounts most people believe.

They are not my numbers by the way, I just thought I'd try checking up on what this £25k figure often quoted may actually mean..... I haven't analysed it too much tbh, just saying what I found out in probably 15 mins and thought it added to the overall debate about scroungers etc. You could do the same, test some of your opinions and see if they stand up? Or maybe just keep swallowing the pill and believing what you read.
 
Fyldewhite said:
There really is no point is there?

As already pointed out, it says (net). As for town centres....isn't that where High Streets are? Besides that though my point is that for every scumbag you see on the High Street there are many, many times that number who are not there, who are honest people, wanting to make a go of their lives and not really needing to be tarred as scroungers by people who (clearly) know very little about the system or the demographic of people who need it. They've just fallen on hard times and need some support......as the numbers show, not the huge amounts most people believe.

They are not my numbers by the way, I just thought I'd try checking up on what this £25k figure often quoted may actually mean..... I haven't analysed it too much tbh, just saying what I found out in probably 15 mins and thought it added to the overall debate about scroungers etc. You could do the same, test some of your opinions and see if they stand up? Or maybe just keep swallowing the pill and believing what you read.
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OK I admit I never noticed your (net) comment, sorry about that. I wont debate your post further as unfortunately you seem to prefer to throw insults rather than constructive discussion.
 
UKipper voting for Corbyn on the One Show.
Says he does not wish to be named/identified then gives a dreadful 3 minute interview to explain why he is an unprincipled idiot.

Deary me, are they all like that.
 
SocketRocket said:
OK I admit I never noticed your (net) comment, sorry about that. I wont debate your post further as unfortunately you seem to prefer to throw insults rather than constructive discussion.
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Careful Socketrocket mate.. If you keep refusing to debate with posters, there'll only be me left to talk to!!! And I'm not on here anywhere near as much as I used to be.. ;)
 
£620 a week?!?!

That's £32k a year!!!

No doubt those are extreme numbers/examples. But that probably means there's quite a few close on £20k!

No wonder it's a lifestyle choice.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
UKipper voting for Corbyn on the One Show.
Says he does not wish to be named/identified then gives a dreadful 3 minute interview to explain why he is an unprincipled idiot.

Deary me, are they all like that.
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Seemed pretty principled to me, he said he'd do anything to stop Labour getting into power, no bad principal as far as I'm concerned!
 
not been following this thread and not really interested but just heard something on telly that has left me gobsmacked.

David Lammy who said he is next door MP to Jeremy Corbyn was being interviewed. He said he asked Mr Corbyn to help launch his General election campaign. Corbyn agreed and cycled down Tottenham high St to help launch Mr Lammys campaign.

Mr Lammy then said two minutes later he would/ could not support Mr Corbyn because he has differant views even though they are in same party.

hypocrite springs to mind. No wonder people cannot relate to Labour. Am positive he's not the only one, but what a comment to make.
 
Tashyboy said:
not been following this thread and not really interested but just heard something on telly that has left me gobsmacked.

David Lammy who said he is next door MP to Jeremy Corbyn was being interviewed. He said he asked Mr Corbyn to help launch his General election campaign. Corbyn agreed and cycled down Tottenham high St to help launch Mr Lammys campaign.

Mr Lammy then said two minutes later he would/ could not support Mr Corbyn because he has differant views even though they are in same party.

hypocrite springs to mind. No wonder people cannot relate to Labour. Am positive he's not the only one, but what a comment to make.
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Yup, you're right Tashyboy.. And we all know that the Conservatives are just like one big Family.. They can't do enough for each other and all pull in the same direction on every policy.. Such a harmonious bunch.. A bit like the Partridge Family, but without the Popstrel interludes..
 
It looks like we're about to find out just how many of those currently on the Labour front bench who have said they will refuse to serve under Corbyn will actually walk away. I'd wager it will be significantly fewer than those who said so...
 
ger147 said:
It looks like we're about to find out just how many of those currently on the Labour front bench who have said they will refuse to serve under Corbyn will actually walk away. I'd wager it will be significantly fewer than those who said so...
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I'm inclined to agree.. Whilst I don't think that Jezza is a viable option, I can't help but think that a short term lurch to the left might leave the Party in a better place than it currently stands.. The Party just can't inhabit the same centre right of British Politics as the Conservatives and make any headway with the traditional Labour voters..
 
Well it looks pretty certain that Labour won't get the chance to cock up the economy for at least 10 years and that Doon won't have to concern himself with Labour doing a deal with the SNP!
 
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