Jeremy Corbyn

[Old Skier]

It's not for 'Joe Public' to come up with a plan......

That's a bit like the current leader of the opposition poo poo the plan but not come up with an alternative.

Anyway it's a discussion forum which would be pretty sparse if we didn't all run the world from the comfort of our armchairs.

 

[Old Skier]

But "Joe Public" appear to be ok to dismiss the current plan put forward by the government

Just trying to find out whilst they dismiss the plan the government have put forward what their suggestions are that should be done to tackle IS ?

I think though it's clear that no one has an alternative to the UK joining in the Air Strikes

Be fair Mr Corbyn and I think it might have been either Wings or the Doc suggested stopping the supply of oil leaving the country. Thats without bombs or boots on the ground. It's all done by magic don't you know.

 

[MegaSteve]

But "Joe Public" appear to be ok to dismiss the current plan put forward by the government

Just trying to find out whilst they dismiss the plan the government have put forward what their suggestions are that should be done to tackle IS ?

I think though it's clear that no one has an alternative to the UK joining in the Air Strikes

Virtually impossible for the man on the street to be sure he has all the necessary facts to come up with a solution/plan...

How can anyone truly be sure of what is fact and what is propaganda...

 

[FairwayDodger]

Corbyn now wants a 2 day debate on the Syria bombing issue according to BBC 24. Thought as further delaying tactics as no time in the Parlimentary calendar this side of 2015.

Regardless of your view, there must be a debate on it?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Virtually impossible for the man on the street to be sure he has all the necessary facts to come up with a solution/plan...

How can anyone truly be sure of what is fact and what is propaganda...

So again no plan of action whilst the terrorists continue in their journey to destroy the western world.

Whilst people decide and debate and go round in circle ISIL get stronger - they don't stop and wait for us to make a choice

 

[Old Skier]

Regardless of your view, there must be a debate on it?

There was a debate last week.
Latest from BBC is that a free vote is now likely for Labour MPs

 

[MegaSteve]

So again no plan of action whilst the terrorists continue in their journey to destroy the western world.

Whilst people decide and debate and go round in circle ISIL get stronger - they don't stop and wait for us to make a choice

When/if I come up with a plan I'll forward it to DaveCam for his consideration...

Like yourself I don't get to vote on this...
That's up to the folk in the Palace of Westminster...

How they deal with this, along with all the other matters that come before them during their five years of being there, will be a large part of my decision making on how I vote at the next GE...

 

[Old Skier]

No sooner has Mr Corbyns poll been exposed as selective and the man caves in. (The above was done on TV so no link)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34967024

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm all for us supporting the effort in bombing IS, but it must be inconjunction with a follow on/side by side plan.
The options are not as simple as bomb or don't bomb as some seem to be suggesting, let's not kid ourselves we are already fighting IS in Syria and if the RAF don't join in, we'll still be involved in a fight against them, No to bombing Syria does not mean we've give up and are coming home.
I don't want to lose any more friends overseas, I know the risk, this time though I'd like the bombing to be part of a long term strategy.

 

[Foxholer]

Regardless of your view, there must be a debate on it?

Absolutely agree with this!

@Old Skier. What debate was that? Cameron has stated that there will be no 'debate' until he is sure that he has the support he needs - for the decision he wants (is another 'dodgy dossier' being created?)!

Personally, I don't see what benefit UK actually joining those bombing Syria will achieve, though I am all for supplying 'experts' to plan and even target ISIL sites for those committed to bombing to act upon! There's enough congestion in the area already imo, and another force will simply increase the likelihood of tragic accidents!

Has anything really been achieved by the bombing of ISIL in Iraq? Because if that hasn't been 95+% effective (with the far greater freedom for the good guys to act), then I very much doubt that attempting to doing the same in the much more restricted area of Syria will be effective!

And, of course, there needs to be an exit/post success strategy created/agreed too! That, or at least the options, needs to be provided to and agreed by Parliament before bombing starts!

 

[Old Skier]

Absolutely agree with this!

@Old Skier. What debate was that?

Has anything really been achieved by the bombing of ISIL in Iraq? Because if that hasn't been 95+% effective (with the far greater freedom for the good guys to act), then I very much doubt that attempting to doing the same in the much more restricted area of Syria will be effective!

And, of course, there needs to be an exit/post success strategy created/agreed too! That, or at least the options, needs to be provided to and agreed by Parliament before bombing starts!

Sorry to much Lemsip, the only debate I heard was during the SDSR and Paris episode.

I think you will find that with the support of local ground forces the RAF have achieved quite a lot in Iraq with IS being pushed many miles back to the north and west from both Ramadi and Mosul.

 

[Fish]

Talk is cheap, meanwhile........

Allen Henning, Peter Kassig, both aid workers and both beheaded along with Jim Foley, Steve Sotloff and many others, too many to mention in fact, ISIS, ISIL or whatever just revel in the slaughter of innocents, including fellow Muslims and are hell bent only on sowing death & destruction, but hey, let's not think about what's going on now and just dwell on the past and let's cuddle around a table whilst they watch and hear our every move being discussed openly, whilst probably laughing at us as they prepare and build another wave of terror!

Brimstone is the way forward, hit everything with the best intelligence afforded to us that will slow and disrupt them, hopefully taking out key personnel also, harping on about the past and past mistakes gets us nowhere, we've learnt from those situations so move on, don't look back as the body count of more innocent people just rises otherwise and IS just get better dug in making the fight to them even harder.

 

[chippa1909]

Absolutely agree with this!

@Old Skier. What debate was that? Cameron has stated that there will be no 'debate' until he is sure that he has the support he needs - for the decision he wants (is another 'dodgy dossier' being created?)!

Personally, I don't see what benefit UK actually joining those bombing Syria will achieve, though I am all for supplying 'experts' to plan and even target ISIL sites for those committed to bombing to act upon! There's enough congestion in the area already imo, and another force will simply increase the likelihood of tragic accidents!

Has anything really been achieved by the bombing of ISIL in Iraq? Because if that hasn't been 95+% effective (with the far greater freedom for the good guys to act), then I very much doubt that attempting to doing the same in the much more restricted area of Syria will be effective!

And, of course, there needs to be an exit/post success strategy created/agreed too! That, or at least the options, needs to be provided to and agreed by Parliament before bombing starts!

Well said.

 

[Ethan]

It's not for 'Joe Public' to come up with a plan...

That's the 'work' of government and then get the required support..
Failure to do so means a plan B needs to be formulated...

I did say what I thought we should so some pages ago.

 

[Ethan]

Talk is cheap, meanwhile........

Allen Henning, Peter Kassig, both aid workers and both beheaded along with Jim Foley, Steve Sotloff and many others, too many to mention in fact, ISIS, ISIL or whatever just revel in the slaughter of innocents, including fellow Muslims and are hell bent only on sowing death & destruction, but hey, let's not think about what's going on now and just dwell on the past and let's cuddle around a table whilst they watch and hear our every move being discussed openly, whilst probably laughing at us as they prepare and build another wave of terror!

Brimstone is the way forward, hit everything with the best intelligence afforded to us that will slow and disrupt them, hopefully taking out key personnel also, harping on about the past and past mistakes gets us nowhere, we've learnt from those situations so move on, don't look back as the body count of more innocent people just rises otherwise and IS just get better dug in making the fight to them even harder.

So your plan is to avenge the bodycount of innocent people by increasing the bodycount of innocent people a hundred or thousand-fold?

Why not just nuke it and be done?

 

[Old Skier]

So your plan is to avenge the bodycount of innocent people by increasing the bodycount of innocent people a hundred or thousand fold?

Are you seriously suggesting that because the RAF are bombing the collateral damage will kill hundreds and possibly thousands of innocent people.

 

[richy]

Haven't had a chance to read this whole thread and not sure if it's been covered but what are the thoughts from those who are for bombing Syria on the innocent people who will no doubt be caught up in this?

 

[chippa1909]

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Haven't had a chance to read this whole thread and not sure if it's been covered but what are the thoughts from those who are for bombing Syria on the innocent people who will no doubt be caught up in this?

There won't be because the RAF have magic missiles that only kill terrorists.

 

[richy]

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There won't be because the RAF have magic missiles that only kill terrorists.

WOW. They should put some of that technology into not losing your bags when you go on tour.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I did say what I thought we should so some pages ago.

Sorry I missed it - which post was it ?