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So you condone his comments then?
Jeremy Corbyn
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Does that make his comments ok then ?
Doon frae Troon
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Interesting to note the Labour Leadership Poll on my Scottish Fitba forum [started a couple of months ago] called the result Corbyn 67% Burnham 20% and the other two 7 and 6%.
These Scottish fitba fans really have turned into hard core politicos.
These Scottish fitba fans really have turned into hard core politicos.
chrisd
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I guess as a backbencher who is a rebel would (and I'm not condoning it) be free to express his views, but now he's the head honcho it'll all come back to haunt him - and rightly so! I just wonder what the press will dig up over the coming weeks and months?? It's beyond the press's wildest dreams dos lets just sit back and enjoy the fun!
Spuddy
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To add to Doon's point.... Nelson Mandela was implicated in the deaths of many more people than Bobby Sands. I wonder if there would be an uproar if any UK politician made similar comments about him.
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c1973
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I take it you'll condone his comments then?
Edit: And whether we like it or not, the ira atrocities were a lot closer to home than Mandelas bombing of school busses, perhaps affecting people in the UK a lot more.
But it's a cracking piece of deflection from an extremely uncomfortable , unpalatable and imo unforgivable comment from a member of the shadow cabinet.
Edit: And whether we like it or not, the ira atrocities were a lot closer to home than Mandelas bombing of school busses, perhaps affecting people in the UK a lot more.
But it's a cracking piece of deflection from an extremely uncomfortable , unpalatable and imo unforgivable comment from a member of the shadow cabinet.
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Spuddy
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Is that a question to me?
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c1973
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It was, yes.
I could never understand why the Scots felt so hard done by, when all Labour Governments were really elected by the block vote in Scotland and there were always plenty of Scottish ministers. On the whole the Scots were much better represented than the other UK countries, AND they had their own Parliament as well. The Labour Party only lost the last election because they lost most of their seats in Scotland!
PhilTheFragger
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Not accurate Del, even if they had won every seat in Scotland they would still be in opposition although granted in a stronger position.
However it is true that to get back into power, Labour need to regain all those SNP seats and win "Middle England". I just dont see it happening under Corbyn
You're not wrong Delc. Scots whinging about being hard done by by successive Govts. Unless I'm much mistaken the previous Labour Govts were leds by Scots, and had a Scottish Chancellor... Blair/Brown/Darling. As for being hard done by? What did Labour ever do for northern England? Maybe there should be a Barnett Formula for northern England? But what about the midlands...? Ah, but the south east is paved with streets of gold. Yeh, right. But if it satisfies the woe is me brigade...
Spuddy
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He's perfectly entitled to his opinion, and there's plenty of people who would agree with him. Personally, I think the murder of any 'non combatants', regardless of location is abhorrent. I would rather reflect on history and learn from it rather than airbrush out the bits that don't fit with a certain image.
Doon frae Troon
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There is always two sides to every story.
Perhaps if you had been brought up in Bobby Sands neighbourhood you may have thought differently.
There was a lot of violence on both sides of that divide.
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c1973
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Fair enough. At least you replied.
Non combatants? One would assume from this that the murder (because it was murder) of UK soldiers was not abhorrent to you, or am I misreading your post?
And I don't think you can airbrush the blowing up of supermarkets, pubs, town centres and killing of civilians to be honest.
Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread too much, his thoughts and politics have been highlighted (as have some posters imo), which was in keeping with the main thrust of the thread.
Points have been made and countered (by some), so Ill let others draw their own conclusions on this particular matter.
You would hope Labour would learn too. Returning to the left, where they went in the Kinnock and Foot years, may well see them have loud support from Union Executives but will it really garner support from the man in the street? It certainly didn't 30 years ago, and the UK 'enjoyed' years of Tory rule because of it.
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c1973
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The past appears to have been lost on some with regards to the loony left of Labour imo.
Perhaps they are too young to remember and are still idealistic, or they may be remnants of the Trotskyist or militant fringe that should have been knocked into touch by now. Who knows, but I actually feel ashamed to be a Labour supporter when I look at who is in charge of the party today.
Two wrongs don't make a right, especially if violence is involved. I'm genuinely disappointed in you Doon. Irrespective of your political views I thought you would at least condemn violence.
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Half my family grew up in Belfast - one of my cousins at the age of 2 was caught in a blast and lost one eye and an arm so I'll ask again - do you think his comments are ok then ?
The streets in the South-East may well be paved with gold, if you are a City Banker or a Member of the House of Lords, but for everybody else it's an expensive dung heap!
Doon frae Troon
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Do you ever consider that sometimes things just change.
Nothing ever remains the same.
Earlier in this thread I posted a thread about the Loony Left of Ken Livingstone's GLC time.
Nearly all of his Loony Left policies such as Gay rights, subsidised travel, cycle paths, emission restrictions etc are now seen as 'normal'.
