Jeremy Corbyn

Ethan said:
You can't blame the SNP for an electoral quirk which had given them a significant degree of power. But you could say the Eurosceptic wing of the Tories are doing exactly the same. They are really a party within a party.
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Not blaming them at all, and fully accept the election result as a whole as it was by the current rules. Just think it doesn't fit the multi-party system we now have.

It could also be said that the Labour party are a party within a party. The hard left wanting to renationalise and the other side wanting to gain the centre ground in British politics.
 
Ethan said:
You can't blame the SNP for an electoral quirk which had given them a significant degree of power. But you could say the Eurosceptic wing of the Tories are doing exactly the same. They are really a party within a party.
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Power? I don't think so! Though it wouldn't have needed much (4 more Labour seats) for them to have significant power.

Presence? Yes. But no real power (currently!).
 
Hobbit said:
Not blaming them at all, and fully accept the election result as a whole as it was by the current rules. Just think it doesn't fit the multi-party system we now have.

It could also be said that the Labour party are a party within a party. The hard left wanting to renationalise and the other side wanting to gain the centre ground in British politics.
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Arguably Labour has several groups, the old Trots, the Fabians, a group who don't really know what is going on and the pro-market Blairires. The Tories have the liberal Euro-friendly wing, the One Nation group and the 1922/UKIPy wing.

And the Lib Dema have ....... oh, who cares.
 
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Ethan said:
Aren't they the same thing in politics?
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Absolutely not!

Labour has just over 4 times as much 'presence' as SNP, but the same lack of (real) power!

In 2010, Lib Dems (remember them?) had 57 seats and DID end up with real power - though made a very poor job of using/advertising their use of it!
 
Foxholer said:
Absolutely not!

Labour has just over 4 times as much 'presence' as SNP, but the same lack of (real) power!

In 2010, Lib Dems (remember them?) had 57 seats and DID end up with real power - though made a very poor job of using/advertising their use of it!
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Tories are doing a great job showing how well the LDs actually did do 'in power'. LDs have been shafted for their fairly valiant efforts to keep the toryfest bonanza at bay.
 
the smiling assassin said:
Tories are doing a great job showing how well the LDs actually did do 'in power'. LDs have been shafted for their fairly valiant efforts to keep the toryfest bonanza at bay.
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Really going point there. It was totally unrealistic to expect the LDs to get any of their policies through as that was never going to happen. And their vital role was to stop the Tories lurching towards the hard right. And look what has happened now the LDs are no longer there and Labour are a complete unelectable shambles. I'd love the LDs to be in government with the tories now.
 
Are the Tories lurching to the right? Seems to me they are taking more of a slightly right of centre stance and holding back on real right wing reform. To me they seem very close to the Blairite new labour party in their earlier days.
 
SocketRocket said:
Are the Tories lurching to the right? Seems to me they are taking more of a slightly right of centre stance and holding back on real right wing reform. To me they seem very close to the Blairite new labour party in their earlier days.
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Don't know if they're leaning either way. I do feel they are being true to their priniciples of giving back, or taking less, from those that earn it in the hope that it will stimulate the economy...trickedown which I think Ethan decried. Far better than it disappearing into paying for a huge govt monolith. Bizarre that too many managers in the NHS is decried but some want more taxation that will need more managers to manage the trickledown from govt coffers.
 
Hobbit said:
Don't know if they're leaning either way. I do feel they are being true to their priniciples of giving back, or taking less, from those that earn it in the hope that it will stimulate the economy...trickedown which I think Ethan decried. Far better than it disappearing into paying for a huge govt monolith. Bizarre that too many managers in the NHS is decried but some want more taxation that will need more managers to manage the trickledown from govt coffers.
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I agree. Growing the state sector is a sure way of creating many new management roles along with the scribes, scribes of the scribes, scribes of the scribes of the scribes, even unto the seventh generation ;)
 
Doon frae Troon said:
http://wingsoverscotland.com/

Interesting summary by Wings...........3rd placed candidate may win.
What would happen next?
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Some interesting comments on there...
So let me get this right...the Labour Party are a joke because they may or may not be screwing lefty voters and denying Corbyn some potential 1st preference votes. However it's ok for the SNP to deny Scots living outside Scotland (except the rich ones with dual residence) their say in the independence referendum, whilst at the same time attempt to tip the scale in their favour by emfranchising the easily led 16/17 year olds...
#howblinkeredcanyeget
I suppose 'wings' make a good substitute for blinkers.
 
the smiling assassin said:
Some interesting comments on there...
So let me get this right...the Labour Party are a joke because they may or may not be screwing lefty voters and denying Corbyn some potential 1st preference votes. However it's ok for the SNP to deny Scots living outside Scotland (except the rich ones with dual residence) their say in the independence referendum, whilst at the same time attempt to tip the scale in their favour by emfranchising the easily led 16/17 year olds...
#howblinkeredcanyeget
I suppose 'wings' make a good substitute for blinkers.
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Naw Wings is the antidote to the Telegraph.

Good attempted deflection though;)
 
the smiling assassin said:
Er, didn't you just prove my point beyond any doubt...

Poor deflection attempt Doon :)
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That would be half a nation blinkered, that takes some doing.
I think England, through the Corbyn campaign, are finally waking up to how the Scots have dealt with mainstream media and BBC bias.

Fourteen years in control of Scotland and the SNP are at 62% in predicted polls for Holyrood.
How far does it have to go before 'SNP Bad' is seen as not very convincing or effective propaganda.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
That would be half a nation blinkered, that takes some doing.
I think England, through the Corbyn campaign, are finally waking up to how the Scots have dealt with mainstream media and BBC bias.

Fourteen years in control of Scotland and the SNP are at 62% in predicted polls for Holyrood.
How far does it have to go before 'SNP Bad' is seen as not very convincing or effective propaganda.
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I thought this thread was about Corbyn and the Labour party elections. It's very tiresome how you want to turn everything into an SNP issue.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
That would be half a nation blinkered, that takes some doing.
I think England, through the Corbyn campaign, are finally waking up to how the Scots have dealt with mainstream media and BBC bias.

Fourteen years in control of Scotland and the SNP are at 62% in predicted polls for Holyrood.
How far does it have to go before 'SNP Bad' is seen as not very convincing or effective propaganda.
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What makes you think the English believe the Scots have dealt with a perceived (mythical) bias? BOO! They're behind you! Paranoid or what!

And just maybe it'll never be seen as a not very convincing or effective propaganda. Maybe the majority of English see the SNP for what they really are...there was plenty examples of their bully boy tactics and spin during the run up to the referendum vote. Shock! Even Scots saw through it and voted no!

Anyway, what has the SNP got to do with the Corbyn vote? Please do tell...
 
Hobbit said:
What makes you think the English believe the Scots have dealt with a perceived (mythical) bias? BOO! They're behind you! Paranoid or what!

And just maybe it'll never be seen as a not very convincing or effective propaganda. Maybe the majority of English see the SNP for what they really are...there was plenty examples of their bully boy tactics and spin during the run up to the referendum vote. Shock! Even Scots saw through it and voted no!

Anyway, what has the SNP got to do with the Corbyn vote? Please do tell...
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Politely replying to post #472
Damned if I do dammed if I don't eh?.

The Corbyn Voters are natural allies to the SNP and would provide an effective combined Labour/SNP opposition to this heartless government.
So, in reply to your last question.....quite a lot.
 
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