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Ask the people north of Watford how they feel after living through her times - especially Cities she felt they should leave for controlled degradation I think she called it.
Jeremy Corbyn
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Ask the people north of Watford how they feel after living through her times - especially Cities she felt they should leave for controlled degradation I think she called it.
alexbrownmp
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Totally wrong imo. Who do you think was a good PM out of interest?
alexbrownmp
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Havent looked at all the posts but my take on Corbyn being in Scotland is he could possibly retake scots land for Labour again.
The referendum and then election saw snp supporters desperate for radical change and did this with an almost clean sweep.
A few months down the line we see the newly elected MP's out of their depth and as useful as a kilt made of spagetti.
They still want radical change though and they could flock in their thousands now to Corbyn.
Just my uninformed opinion and I have absolutely no affiliation to any party.
The referendum and then election saw snp supporters desperate for radical change and did this with an almost clean sweep.
A few months down the line we see the newly elected MP's out of their depth and as useful as a kilt made of spagetti.
They still want radical change though and they could flock in their thousands now to Corbyn.
Just my uninformed opinion and I have absolutely no affiliation to any party.
bluewolf
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Quite an interesting time ahead for British politics if Corbyn is the chosen one. The Politicalarena could go in several distinct directions.
If Corbyn does prove to be a rallying call for the politically disaffected then he could (with the right media support) prove a tough opponent to a Party that has put all its eggs behind an economic recovery that is still more of a theory than a fact.
If Corbyn's election is the final nail in the coffin of a dwindling Labour support then it's entirely feasible that a Tory Party, bereft of any real opponent, and already divided by its attempts to move closer the the centre of British politics, could tear itself apart and form several breakaway Parties.
For people who enjoy watching Politics, it could be an interesting next 5 years..
If Corbyn does prove to be a rallying call for the politically disaffected then he could (with the right media support) prove a tough opponent to a Party that has put all its eggs behind an economic recovery that is still more of a theory than a fact.
If Corbyn's election is the final nail in the coffin of a dwindling Labour support then it's entirely feasible that a Tory Party, bereft of any real opponent, and already divided by its attempts to move closer the the centre of British politics, could tear itself apart and form several breakaway Parties.
For people who enjoy watching Politics, it could be an interesting next 5 years..
Doon frae Troon
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You obviously missed the Speakers comments yesterday
Regards SLAB, if Dugdale is the best person they can find for leader, I need not say anymore.
chrisd
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I know that there are loads who wouldn't agree on the question, but I get peed off with being asked to explain, in detail, my views when what I've answered was a load of cobblers in the first place, that was unsubstantiated too. Politics will always devide people and Ethan won't agree whatever I write, but I lived through that era from Harold Wilson and onwards and if you weren't there you can't really know what it was like , first hand, like we did. People always write history as they saw it or from the point of view of the winners of a battle and not necessarily retaining the truth
alexbrownmp
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I did, why dont you share what one person said yesterday?You obviously missed the Speakers comments yesterday
Regards SLAB, if Dugdale is the best person they can find for leader, I need not say anymore.
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My family lived through her time and suffered at her hands
As I said she spilt the country up and if I took a guess her actions prob had a more negative effect on people in the country than positive effect.
First of all my post was tongue in cheek, albeit without a smiley. The groundbait didn't even hit the water before the salmon were leaping onto the bank.
Argentina started the Falklands war, not Maggie. Surely you don't think she invited them in? Anyway, if you accept the Argies kicked off first you've been proved wrong on one point which disproves your infallibility.
Destroyed manufacturing; remind me of all the strikes! Manufacturing was going to hell in a hand cart, driven by the unions.
And Labour have had a fair chance, through successive parliaments, to put the things you perceive to be wrong, right. The vast majority of changes I've seen in the NHS were all under Labour's watch. They didn't have to sell off large sections of renal care to a Canadian company. They didn't have to sell off op's to South African companies, who built treatment centres on NHS sites - the first example being on the Trafford General site where the very first NHS hospital is - hypocrites. They didn't have to create PFI's, and nor did they have to GIVE control of NHS procurement of devices/consumables/services to DHL.
Rose tinted or what!
chrisd
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Sorry Phil, but for her the country was going to ruin, she turned it round and made it prosperous, I saw it first hand. Or in other words, like all politics, everyone is adamant they are right but I guess there is some truth from both sides. However the country was in a real bad state and it needed someone to sort it, she did, I accept there was winners and losers
You obviously missed the Speakers comments yesterday
Regards SLAB, if Dugdale is the best person they can find for leader, I need not say anymore.
I thought the Speakers compliments of the SNP were excellent, and I hope the rest of the lazy no-shows take heed.
Sorry Phil, but a north of Watford Gapper here who thought she did a decent job in most things.
chrisd
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I'd concede that her only real cock up was the poll tax
bluewolf
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And another one here who is of the opinion that her biggest "success" was utilizing the predominantly Murdoch owned Media to turn the Middle Classes against the Working Class.. A policy that has been carried on by successive Conservative and New Labour Parties.
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She didn't turn it around north of Watford Chris - she ruined people's lives and families - managed decline of one city. Didn't unemployment rose through the roof especially when many industry jobs were lost when mines etc were closed. People lost their homes and wives lost their husbands plus the clear cover up of what happened at Hillsboro
The South may have been winners but it was at the cost of millions of others.
chrisd
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If that's your point of view you're welcome to it Phil! No words from me will change your view, however sweeping some of the statements, but then Harold Wilson and Tony Blair weren't the huge successes some socialists would claim.
With Maggie, things had to change and they did and I'm sorry for the repetition, if you weren't there ...........
Doon frae Troon
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I thought the poll tax was a brilliant idea, it was just very badly sold, managed and implemented.
Why should five wage earners living in one house pay the same as a little old lady living alone.
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It's not a point of view Chris - it's seeing it first hand myself , it's seeing the effect it had on my family and the effect it had on friends families. - just to make it clear i was there as child in the 70's and 80's and can remember the day I was told my uncle was gone. Where you there in the cities of the North West ? If not then it doesn't take long to read up the actual accounts - factual accounts of what misery she caused for millions.
It's not a point of view Chris - it's factual.
chrisd
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On this one Doon I wholly agree
My wife and I lived in a house as a married couple and when the poll tax came in we were asked to pay more than we were currently paying. In a system whereby everyone was supposed to pay we thought our share would reduce, so, I felt it wasn't the idea that was wrong but the implementation
chrisd
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Sorry Phil but you only saw it from one point of view, like me. I wasn't a child though and understood how the country prospered as a whole and why it was necessary.
