Jeremy Corbyn

[Foxholer]

...Interesting that you even think Zimbabwe was a success. Perhaps you might like to do some reading on what happened straight after independence under Mugabe untill the present date.

You are, as usual and probably quite deliberately (It does get tedious!), misinterpreting my statement - that 'not dealing with the tyrants' was done successfully!

I did not say that the subsequent result was 'a success'! From personal experience, I know Rhodesia/Zimbabwe has turned out badly - in fact, 'dealing with a tyrant' (Mugabe), even one 'legitimately' elected, was one of the primary reasons!

 

[Old Skier]

You are, as usual and probably quite deliberately (It does get tedious!), misinterpreting my statement - that 'not dealing with the tyrants' was done successfully!

I did not say that the subsequent result was 'a success'! From personal experience, I know Rhodesia/Zimbabwe has turned out badly - in fact, 'dealing with a tyrant' (Mugabe), even one 'legitimately' elected, was one of the primary reasons!

It's hard enough to interpret your post so please take it from me there is no deliberate misinterpretation.

 

[Tashyboy]

How times change.
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Think my thoughts on her are well documented. And al say no more on the subject for fear of getting me first infraction.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It may well be the third time its been dragged up but I haven't seen it before, and I (avidly) follow politics? Have you seen it before? Where you aware of every meeting with Hamas, Hezbollah, IRA, Czech Secret Service, PLO, Black September? Were you aware of his slot on Iranian TV, and the fact he was still doing the programme after Ofcom revoked Iran TV's licence in the UK and censored him for it. Did you know he has lied about the £20k he received from Iran TV.

And, as the wives of the Israeli athletes have said, when has he ever met with the other side of any argument?

Some of the questions being asked may well have not been asked before because he was a nobody weirdo backbencher.

Are the press gunning for him? Yes. But they dredge up all sorts of rubbish for pretty much everyone that makes it to a position of prominence. Rooney, Beckham, Froome, Wiggins, Duchess of Sussex and then list anyone you like who's got to the top in their profession.

I was aware of it being brought up at the last election and believed it had been answered, just like now I doubt it would of been brought up again if Labour were embroiled in the anti-semitism row.
Are you sure he met all those you claimed, yes he met some, or are they are alleged by certain media outlets.
Why should he meet the widows from the Munich attack, he never visited the graves of the terrorists as those women were led to believe.
I’m sure if you research his past you will also see he has at many times visited Jewish cemeteries and paid his respects to the holocaust victims.
Press gunning for him? Absolutely, even check out how this thread started and how funny it was to get him elected as Labour leader, I believe some now regret making the joke.

 

[Tashyboy]

Guess who came into Mansfield yesterday, owd Jezza. Once more he had some photos taken with some dodgy people which don't really narrow it down in Mansfield.
Odd thing is, it was never announced via the media that he was coming, if it had he may of had a dozen or so " supporters " come along to show there support. Jezza whilst here went on record and said that Labour is going to win the seat back at the next election coz Mansfield now has a new energetic candidate. Our Bradley who is five years old is energetic, Is it him. It is all well fine and dandy. But it might actually help if we knew who it was. Jezza also went onto say that he thinks the new proposed super council based at Nottingham is a bad idea. Brilliant Jez, just brilliant. Coz no one cares a hoot about this possible super council. What they care about is the drug infested ghost town with shops empty everywhere, what they care about is what is affecting there lives now. Not what might affect there lives ( for better or worse ) in X number of years.
Dont come back Jez.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Corbyn on yet another trip to Scotland to bolster the troops.

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'I don't know why the Tories waste so much time on smear campaigns against him when all they have to do is hand him a microphone'.:lol:

 

[MegaSteve]

Corbyn on yet another trip to Scotland to bolster the troops.

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'I don't know why the Tories waste so much time on smear campaigns against him when all they have to do is hand him a microphone'.:lol:

Guessing that it's passed you by... But, Jezza, in No. 10, is probably your best chance of a second chance in a generation of an indyref...

Can't see the boys/girls in the blue corner affording you another opportunity anytime soon... You can ask/demand away but it don't work like that does it... Yea, you can take it to the courts but would suggest that would be neither straightforward or quick...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Guessing that it's passed you by... But, Jezza, in No. 10, is probably your best chance of a second chance in a generation of an indyref...

Can't see the boys/girls in the blue corner affording you another opportunity anytime soon... You can ask/demand away but it don't work like that does it... Yea, you can take it to the courts but would suggest that would be neither straightforward or quick...

Best chance for Scottish Independence is for the Viceroy to say you cannot have one.:lol:
Corbyn desperately needs Scottish labour seats to form a government.....do you actually know how many Slab MP's there are at Wastemonster right now SEVEN, there used to be around 50

Projected SNP seats for the next election are around 43/45.
The Labour/Tory UK voting pact in Scotland is well and truly busted and SLab are on their way to oblivion because of it.

 

[MegaSteve]

Best chance for Scottish Independence is for the Viceroy to say you cannot have one.:lol:
Corbyn desperately needs Scottish labour seats to form a government.....do you actually know how many Slab MP's there are at Wastemonster right now SEVEN, there used to be around 50

Projected SNP seats for the next election are around 43/45.
The Labour/Tory UK voting pact in Scotland is well and truly busted and SLab are on their way to oblivion because of it.

Only chance of Scottish independence is getting and then 'winning' a referendum...

Without that, I suggest, you are going nowhere...

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Corbyn on yet another trip to Scotland to bolster the troops.

Best comment heard
'I don't know why the Tories waste so much time on smear campaigns against him when all they have to do is hand him a microphone'.:lol:

Giving Jezza a microphone is what nearly got him elected last time around. He is a very good campaigner, he rallies the troops. He is not great in formal debates but get him out on the mount and he comes into his own. The Conservatives underestimated this last time and it led to a vastly reduced majority and the need to get into bed with the DUP.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Giving Jezza a microphone is what nearly got him elected last time around. He is a very good campaigner, he rallies the troops. He is not great in formal debates but get him out on the mount and he comes into his own. The Conservatives underestimated this last time and it led to a vastly reduced majority and the need to get into bed with the DUP.

Might do where you live but in Scotland he is bombing.

He is not helped by Slab coming up with some dreadful SNP baaaad nonsense each trip. This time it was in the shape of Raytheon contracts.
Bad in Scotland where they are in fact good and do not involve weapons.
Good in Labour controlled Wales when they are in fact bad and do involve military input.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Corbyn needs to get a Scottish Labour person to come to the fore in the same way that Ruth Davidson has done for the Conservatives. I fully get that Corbyn might be as popular in Scotland as Nicola would be south of the border. I suspect that is the case with most Westminster politicians up there.

Corbyn was highly effective at the last general election, largely helped by May being so hopeless on the road and having no spontaneity, due to his on the mount speeches and interaction with people.

 

[User62651]

You've got to think that despite their criticism of and public disdain for, secretly the Tories like the SNPs success as it denies Labour 30-40 odd MPs that used to be a shoe-in for Labour and they (tories) never had many MPs to lose in Scotland anyway. So keep the SNP at bay and deny Labour a lot of MPs.

What Davidson did well was turn every election (Holyrood, Westminster, local) up here into an independence issue, avoid all other political issues, focus on that sole issue and garner all Union supporters on her Tory side so voters of labour and Lib Dem are voting Tory on a tactical anti independence and anything but SNP basis. I'm sure that's going to continue. That leaves Labour in no mans land where they've been for a while.

Every election up here still follows this trend. Never mind the pressing issues on policing/NHS/economy/Brexit etc etc, it's only about Union or Independence. This Tory tactic is working for them.

Corbyn and especially Dugdale and now Leonard can't seem to chip away at this Tory/SNP standoff position in Scotland.
I agree without 40+ Labour MPs from up here Labour can't realistically win another GE. They've a massive amount of ground to take back. Also trend is older voters are more pro Union, younger more pro independence, so in addition to the historic central belt 'vote Labour' mentality having now gone and older generations passing on that's not a good position for Labour going forward I dont think.

Only hope for left leaning voters is the Tory party splits in 2 over Europe or a new centrist party appears.

Dont think Corbyn can achive much more than he has already tbh.

 

[HughJars]

You've got to think that despite their criticism of and public disdain for, secretly the Tories like the SNPs success as it denies Labour 30-40 odd MPs that used to be a shoe-in for Labour and they (tories) never had many MPs to lose in Scotland anyway. So keep the SNP at bay and deny Labour a lot of MPs.

What Davidson did well was turn every election (Holyrood, Westminster, local) up here into an independence issue, avoid all other political issues, focus on that sole issue and garner all Union supporters on her Tory side so voters of labour and Lib Dem are voting Tory on a tactical anti independence and anything but SNP basis. I'm sure that's going to continue. That leaves Labour in no mans land where they've been for a while.

Every election up here still follows this trend. Never mind the pressing issues on policing/NHS/economy/Brexit etc etc, it's only about Union or Independence. This Tory tactic is working for them.

Corbyn and especially Dugdale and now Leonard can't seem to chip away at this Tory/SNP standoff position in Scotland.
I agree without 40+ Labour MPs from up here Labour can't realistically win another GE. They've a massive amount of ground to take back. Also trend is older voters are more pro Union, younger more pro independence, so in addition to the historic central belt 'vote Labour' mentality having now gone and older generations passing on that's not a good position for Labour going forward I dont think.

Only hope for left leaning voters is the Tory party splits in 2 over Europe or a new centrist party appears.

Dont think Corbyn can achive much more than he has already tbh.

^^^spot on

It really is amazing tho that Rooth gets away with constantly going on about independence, while decrying the SNP for constantly going on about independence, which in all fairness, they don't. Yet it sticks, in large part as the MSM won't call her on it

 

[Doon frae Troon]

^^^spot on

It really is amazing tho that Rooth gets away with constantly going on about independence, while decrying the SNP for constantly going on about independence, which in all fairness, they don't. Yet it sticks, in large part as the MSM won't call her on it

...and as a former BBC employee she gets a free pass on any difficult to answer questions such as the Tory dirty money.
She also seems to pass on giving any constituent surgeries as well

 

[Doon frae Troon]

He is doing it again...…...making a speech tomorrow about the future of journalism and the way forward.
At the end of the speech only one question per journalist will be allowed.

Mind you, to his credit, that is one more than Ms Davidson usually allows.

 

[Dellboy]

Projected SNP seats for the next election are around 43/45.

I seem to remember the SNP projecting an increase in seats before the last election, I can remember sat in Scotland watching the TV with a wee man from the SNP saying they were close to taking all but one seat, remind me, how did that work out for them :rofl:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I seem to remember the SNP projecting an increase in seats before the last election, I can remember sat in Scotland watching the TV with a wee man from the SNP saying they were close to taking all but one seat, remind me, how did that work out for them :rofl:

I don't think so, SNP were always expecting to lose seats once the two Unionist parties formed an election pact.
The pact seems to have backfired on Labour and they will be expecting a near whitewash next time with a straight Tory v SNP fight.
Tory's will fight on an Independence card again which is pretty shameful for a Westminster election.
Scots Tories could be in trouble if the 'Dark Money' scandal is investigated properly.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Giving Jezza a microphone is what nearly got him elected last time around. He is a very good campaigner, he rallies the troops. He is not great in formal debates but get him out on the mount and he comes into his own. The Conservatives underestimated this last time and it led to a vastly reduced majority and the need to get into bed with the DUP.

Maybe - but he was up against the Maybot - she who is possibly the worst public speaker in the recent history of political party leaders - certainly as far back as I can remember (late 1960s). Though i have to give Paul Nuttall some credit for mounting a reasonable bid for that title.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Maybe - but he was up against the Maybot - she who is possibly the worst public speaker in the recent history of political party leaders - certainly as far back as I can remember (late 1960s). Though i have to give Paul Nuttall some credit for mounting a reasonable bid for that title.

Agreed, as per post 2152