Jacket and Tie....
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TheCaddie
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Swingalot
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Yep I still wear one at work, but not every day I must admit but pretty regular. Certainly agree though, no place for them at Golf clubs except perhaps for special occasions. I do find it amusing that everyone I interview attends with a suit and tie, but most of them will never wear one once they start work.
I can see the argument for some kind of dress code, as for instance at work I feel with no guide lines some people attend work simply looking scruffy and not a good advert for their employer.
Oddsocks
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I'm all up for special events at our club being J&t dinner, for example big club comps, inter club matches, AGM's and prize giving night, or even evening functions.
..... But for day to day use of the restaurant /clubhouse is OTT. I think it would discourage frequent bar use . Maybe putting people off was a bit strong but its pompous
..... But for day to day use of the restaurant /clubhouse is OTT. I think it would discourage frequent bar use . Maybe putting people off was a bit strong but its pompous
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Would like to believe you are absolutely correct, but if you read the Golf Mags and people like Denis Pugh on Twitter it is this and slow play that are apparently the biggest barriers to people taking up Golf!
TheCaddie
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I'd say cost and slow play / time it takes to play opposed to dress code. Surely?
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Me too, just not what a lot of media portray!
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That is just their opinions, same as we are expressing here. Cost and slow play I can fully understand but I've never met anyone that has been turned off by the dress code.
Can't think of anywhere in Northumberland that insists on jacket and tie although happy to be proved wrong. If only to make a mental note never to go there. I don't have to wear a tie for work, funerals only now. Most work places I go to are happy with a smart short sleeved shirt or work branded polo shirt. This type of dress code does not stop people playing the game but it may stop people playing particular clubs that enforce it. I personally don't even see the merit for them at awards nights etc. Jackets and ties are old hat now, move on.
Jimaroid
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The problem is we're all golfers and golfers are the wrong people to ask the question "What puts you off playing golf?"
Only non-golfers can answer that question.
When I've asked friends or colleagues if they'd like to try golf with me they generally say they don't want to because "Golf is a stupid game for old men." Golf has a bad image and it's not just dress code, the entire principal of the game has been badly represented for a long time.
Us golfers need to stop trying to solve the problem internally and look at what's wrong from the perspective of those on the other side.
That's why a lot of golf participation surveys don't hold much credibility for me because the people surveyed are usually already golfers!
Only non-golfers can answer that question.
When I've asked friends or colleagues if they'd like to try golf with me they generally say they don't want to because "Golf is a stupid game for old men." Golf has a bad image and it's not just dress code, the entire principal of the game has been badly represented for a long time.
Us golfers need to stop trying to solve the problem internally and look at what's wrong from the perspective of those on the other side.
That's why a lot of golf participation surveys don't hold much credibility for me because the people surveyed are usually already golfers!
moogie
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The only club ( thank goodness) anything like this in our county is.....
"THE" Northumberland golf club
Or aka the park
At the entrance to gosforth park, the racecourse
I have to take our juniors there at the end of the month, for a junior league fixture.........don't even know if they all actually own a jacket.....??
The only club ( thank goodness) anything like this in our county is.....
"THE" Northumberland golf club
Or aka the park
At the entrance to gosforth park, the racecourse
I have to take our juniors there at the end of the month, for a junior league fixture.........don't even know if they all actually own a jacket.....??
moogie
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As an edit to above
Looks like dress code rules have now been relaxed since last junior away fixture there
Dining room
Jacket and tie
Jacket no tie
Business shirt and tie
www.thengc.co.uk
Looks like dress code rules have now been relaxed since last junior away fixture there
Dining room
Jacket and tie
Jacket no tie
Business shirt and tie
www.thengc.co.uk
Still over the top though. Plenty of good courses in the area so easy to avoid that one.
My son plays for his club juniors and I do smile when I pick him up after a game. All the gangly teenagers looking uncomfortable with badly made ties. Looks far scruffier than when they play in their smart club shirts.
My son plays for his club juniors and I do smile when I pick him up after a game. All the gangly teenagers looking uncomfortable with badly made ties. Looks far scruffier than when they play in their smart club shirts.
TheCaddie
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Fair point!!!
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Blue in Munich
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Add Rye to that.
Walton Heath now has a very sensible (in my opinion) policy of a jacket over golf clothing for lunchtime. Seems to appease both sides of the argument. Not sure what it is in the evening as the society I visit with has a policy of jacket & tie of their own for the evening bit regardless of the club rules.
At my own club it's pretty much golf gear anywhere except the dining room which is jacket & tie. some functions are still black tie (Summer Ball, Men's Annual Dinner) but most socials are lounge suit or smart casual, dependant on the do. No jeans and trainers which I fully support, although is sometimes a pain if I'm out & think I might pop in for lunch off the cuff.
duncan mackie
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Rye is jacket and tie after 1000, but you can get served drinks and snacks via spike bar arrangements easy enough. If you want lunch in the restaurant (and you would be mad not to!) it's a fixed price 5 course buffet and jackets and ties are required. You can only play 2 balls etc etc and pretty much have to be invited to play so it hardly fits with any issue about 'choosing not to play'!
Wentworth has never been a problem; it's a business first and foremost. Some areas have requirements from time to time but you will always be able to eat and drink dressed as you feel comfortable...
Overall I still find these threads bizarre - as long as any dress code is clearly stated you have a choice. Getting worried about the possible impact on a clubs financial position isn't an issue for visitors; if no one visits because of a dress code (and they need visitors) they will change it.
We have had people leave to join clubs with what they perceive as more appropriate dress codes (to them) and we have had people join because we now permit smart jeans in the clubhouse - there are no fixed requirements for jackets anywhere at any time; they may be in place for some match catering arrangements and events.
I've just returned from Rye, well a mid-week holiday break in Camber Sands where I rent a cottage just past the golf club, which I drop in on. Its now 11am for jackets & tie but still very strict for both men & women as far as dress codes are concerned and you can only play Foursomes in 4-balls & 2-balls, no 3-balls allowed, no other formats unless agreed prior! The club car park is always full, the course in almost all weathers looks in great condition and plenty of players can be seen at all times of the day, its a members club but by invitation only or at least a month in advance at the secretary's discretion, so, even with all those rules that some on here don't like, the club looks like its buzzing all the time, so for me, if the course and facilities are excellent and I could afford it, I'd foresee and follow any rules to be a part of a great course & club, I wouldn't as some are suggesting they'd do leave a club that had an excellent well maintained course just because of some dress rules, its all about the course we play at the end of the day, the rest you can manoeuvre around IMO.
http://www.ryegolfclub.co.uk/guest/
SAPCOR1
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Last one I was in was Luffness New.
Can't imagine why you need to wear a jacket whilst eating.
As for a tie, glorified bib
Can't imagine why you need to wear a jacket whilst eating.
As for a tie, glorified bib
Foxholer
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Without J&T, you are banished to a 'cupboard' and served through a hatch! Or at least that was the case when I played it. There were 8 of us crammed onto the bench and the barman was the only person in the 'proper' lounge! We didn't stay long!
I don't find it unreasonable to require J&T when dining (as long as I know). but a proper informal lounge is really required these days. The days of the Golf Club being a Gentleman's Club are well and truly over imo - at least for most of them!
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